45 speeds vs. LP speeds

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   I was just checking on a couple of listings for songs wherein the 45 

version is a different speed than the LP version.  For instance, 

Cymarron's "Rings" is listed as having the 45 version slower than the 

LP version, and :15 seconds longer.  Is the 45 version :15 seconds 

slower with the same ending, or is there a speed difference plus a 

different fade?  This general same question would apply to the 

Hondells' "Little Honda,", Rene & Rene's "Lo Mucho Que Te Quiero," 

and the Cuff Links' "Tracy";  is the only difference the speed, or are 

there edits or different fade-outs?

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Paul Esch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul Esch Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 45 speeds vs. LP speeds Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:49pm
	I was just checking on a couple of listings for songs wherein the 45 version is a different speed than the LP version. For instance, Cymarron's "Rings" is listed as having the 45 version slower than the LP version, and :15 seconds longer. Is the 45 version :15 seconds slower with the same ending, or is there a speed difference plus a different fade? This general same question would apply to the Hondells' "Little Honda,", Rene & Rene's "Lo Mucho Que Te Quiero," and the Cuff Links' "Tracy"; is the only difference the speed, or are there edits or different fade-outs?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 178	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 November 2005 at 10:16pm
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but generally if the only difference is that one runs faster or slower (i.e. there's a pitch difference), Pat will simply note there is a difference in pitch. If I had to guess, I would say that the comment above means that there's some difference between the 45 & LP in addition to having a speed difference.

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	The 45 version of "Rings" drops to a single vocal on the line "Baby What's Ya Doin'" in the beginning of the song while the LP version is multitracked.
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EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 April 2008 at 10:58pm
	I'd like to find out more about "Tracy". Pat writes: 45 time is (2:05); LP time is (2:14) and is slower in pitch than the 45 Only the LP version is available on CD. If I speed up the 2:14 version to be 2:05, will I get the single pitch -- and actual single version? Or will I still not have the single version if I do this? Is the single mono and would the version I make be a stereoized version of the mono single?

Yah Shure Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Yah Shure Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 April 2008 at 11:28pm
	Gordon, yes, the "Tracy" 45 is mono, and a copy is on its way to you. To answer Paul's original question about Cymarron's "Rings": pitch considerations aside, the song itself runs longer before fading on the 45, whereas the LP/CD version fades earlier. There is one more difference: The first note on the 45 does not appear on the LP/CD version.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 April 2008 at 11:45pm
	OK with John P's help -- I just sped up the stereo album version to match the 45 pitch and then chopped off approximately the last 8 or 9 seconds, and faded accordingly -- and it seems I have the stereo version of the mono single. All the instruments seem to be there. Whether someone folds this down to mono and truly gets the mono mix I can't say for certain. But to me, I would say the result is the single version in stereo.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 73	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2008 at 6:21am
	Hmmm, several months ago, all I did was speed the LP version of "Tracy" to end at 2:05? To me, it sounds too fast. Do I also need to chop the last 8 seconds off too?

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2008 at 8:38am
	Erie, you're right - that would sound way too fast. In WaveLab I sped up the song by 27 cents to match John P's 45. (That's about 1.55 %). That really only shortened the song by 2 seconds. I then chopped off 8-9 seconds to match the length of the 45 (2:05).

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 73	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 April 2008 at 8:57am
	MUCH better, thank you!