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    Posted: 21 September 2013 at 11:19pm
Another "bubbling under the top 40" hit from the 80s, Talking Heads' "And She Was" had an album and commercial single length of 3:38 (approximately).

...Of course if it was that cut and dry, I wouldn't be posting this...

Discogs lists this U.S. promo single which claims to be a "new mix" and runs only 3:26 instead of 3:36.

Question #1: was this REALLY a new mix / shorter length, or was this just a new label in an attempt to get radio to pick it up?

Question #2: when radio DID play this single (as I assume they must have), was it the 3:38 commercial single version, or was it this "new mix?"

Thanks for your help in figuring this one out! I find no trace of this "new mix" in my collection of Talking Heads tracks, so I'm suspecting this was a "typo." I'd just like to be 100% sure of that.

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The "New Mix" is an alternate mix and was used in the the music video.

This version was also featured on the promotional Canadian release, a needledrop of which can be downloaded here. Enjoy!

Hopefully someone can shed light onto whether this was the dominant airplay mix.
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I stand corrected; you are right that the video mix and the album mix are NOT the same. Thanks for this info, and the link to the download! I'm grabbing it now to add into rotation (since it is listed as the U.S. promo).



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fetta Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 September 2013 at 1:55am
Gene... Ping me if you want a dub of the 12" for Blacklight Friday and
Sat nights.
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Thanks for the offer, Fetta. I'll let you know if it turns out I need it. I think I've got a good copy here. Nevertheless, I appreciate you thinking about our weekend programming!
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I compared my "new mix" promo with my promo for the 3:38
version, and it is indeed a different mix. The remix has
listed time of 3:26, actual 3:31. I'd say 75% of the
circumference of the deadwax has info in it...SLM ∆ 10430
1-1 7-28917-DNY-3672-RE1-S SH1 OR-14757-Re1-SH1

Whew! Someone must have had writers' cramp by the time
they finished that one!

As far as which version got the most radio play...can't
say...I'd never really listened that closely to the remix
before.


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This is interesting. I joined my college station in
1986, after "And She Was" had run its course at pop radio
in 1985. I remember the chart run for "And She Was" as
lurking forever in the bottom half of the Hot 100.
Despite the lackluster chart performance, the song and
the video were very widely known at the time, even
to mainstream audiences. I'd lump "And She Was" into the
same category as "Tempted" and "What I Like About You",
where it got recurrent airplay later on without actually
getting current airplay at the time.

I think we played the LP versions of "And She Was", "Stay
Up Late", and "Road To Nowhere", as best as I can
remember 28 years after the fact. At the college
station, we worked off 12" vinyl - initially with the 12"
single (until someone walked off with it), then the LP.
That was a typical pattern all throughout the late '80s -
Ooh! the 12" single for Duran Duran's "Notorious" is
completely clear! then it was gone...
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

I compared my "new mix" promo with my promo for the 3:38 version, and it is indeed a different mix. The remix has a listed time of 3:26, actual 3:31. I'd say 75% of the circumference of the deadwax has info in it...SLM ∆ 10430   1-1 7-28917-DNY-3672-RE1-S SH1 OR-14757-Re1-SH1

Whew! Someone must have had writers' cramp by the time they finished that one!


Steve, are you sure the "O" in the "OR-14757" isn't actually a malformed Allied Records stylized "A" logo? The B-side deadwax of my styrene stock copy of "Road To Nowhere" ("Give Me Back My Name") has a similar spread-out numbering pattern and layout, and what looks more like an "O" (or a "Q", actually) is a partially-formed Allied logo. Allied was the United Artists-owned L.A. plant which was inherited by Capitol and subsequently sold to WEA. During the early '80s, I received duplicate Warner promo 45s from both Allied (styrene) and Specialty (vinyl.)

My "And She Was" new mix RE-1 DJ 45 is a Specialty vinyl pressing, with a shorter deadwax ID: (SRC Specialty Records logo) "7-28917-DNY-3672-RE1-S- SR21-2". It's the file copy from the KDWB library, but as I wasn't working there at the time, I can't presume that it actually ended up on cart.

My copy states "Mixed by Malcolm Pollack", as does the Discogs scan Gene linked to upthread. The Canadian promo Underground Dub linked to states "Mixed by Eric E.T. Thorngren" on both the A and "Dub" B-sides. Was that simply a case of the Canadian label copy not having been updated for the new mix?

Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

until someone walked off with it

I thought that only happened at my college station, Ron! ;) Our setup minimized pilfering, as one could only access the on-air studio/record library by walking through the newsroom/studio. When it did occur, it was the catalog LPs that vanished: most of the Beatles' titles on one occasion, and a swath of Motown gold on another, with the latter being traced to a custodian at the student union (an art deco building located next to the art museum that looks like an exploded furnace on the east bank of a certain river on a certain planet.) The union was locked after 11PM, and the thefts always occurred during the 3-7AM hours when we weren't originating our own programming.

Wow... I'd forgotten about having to put on a long enough record to dash down three floors and to the opposite wing of the building to admit the midnight-to-3 jock and run back upstairs again... it was faster than waiting for the elevators.    

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Originally posted by Yah Shure Yah Shure wrote:

I thought that only happened at my
college station, Ron!


I think we've touched on a universal theme from college
radio back then...

It even extended to equipment, to the point where the
vocal mikes in the on-air studio were routinely stolen.
People kept walking away with the Shure SM58s.
Eventually, the engineers put a deliberately awful-
sounding on-air mike in the studio, just so no one would
walk off with it. Very much a case of cutting off your
nose to spite your face - the on-air vocals from our
station sounded abysmal.
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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Originally posted by Yah Shure Yah Shure wrote:


Steve, are you sure the "O" in the "OR-14757" isn't
actually a malformed Allied Records stylized "A" logo?
The B-side deadwax of my styrene stock copy of "Road To
Nowhere" ("Give Me Back My Name") has a similar spread-
out numbering pattern and layout, and what looks more
like an "O" (or a "Q", actually) is a partially-formed
Allied logo.   


It could conceivably be a Q...there does seem to be a
little speck at about 5 o'clock on it. Would never in a
million years suspect it of being an A though.
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