Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam "Lost In Emotion"

This is a follow up to Ron's post:

http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5975

The "problem", if you will, with a lot of the mixes of "Lost In Emotion" is that they are unnamed. Upon going through all the commercial singles and different compilations, I decided to assign mix names to two main single versions:

The "Single Version", which clocks at around 3:47 - 3:49, and the "Video Version", which clocks at around 4:34 - 4:28.

Columbia Records issued two separate commercial vinyl singles with the same catalog number (!), 38-07267. The first one includes the Single Version, while the second one includes the Video Version. Both vinyl single issues include "Motion Is Lost!" as the B-side (it's merely a different mix with more Cult Jam and less Lisa Lisa).

To make things even more confusing, there are TWO (!) separate pressings of "Gold & Platinum Volume Four", each one with different artworks. Realm Records is actually a Columbia House label, which means everything on this label was available exclusively via Columbia House. The first pressing of "Gold & Platinum Volume Four" includes the Single Version, while the second pressing includes the Video Version.

Most compilations include either the "F.F. Remix" or the "Album Version", while the LL & CJ compilation "Playlist" includes the "Lost In Emotion [Can't Find Myself Mix]", clocking at 4:50.   Still with me? Such mix at that length never appeared on any editions of the "Lost In Emotion" single (!). However, the B-side on the U.S. commercial vinyl maxi single includes "Emotion Lost! [Can't Find Myself Mix]" track as the B-side, however this mix clocks at 4:00. Don't ask. The A-side is the F.F. Remix, which can be found on a couple of compilations.

The promo vinyl single includes the mix that clocks at 3:59 on both sides, which is the reason why I chose to dub it the "Single Version". The second commercial vinyl single includes the mix that clocks at around 4:34; this is the mix used for the music video, which is why I dub it the, um, "Video Version".   Radio stations definitely play the "Single Version", which was on the promo vinyl single, sent to radio stations.

The mix found on "The Heart Of Soul" is definitely not the original single version, but the "Video Version".

U.S. Promo Vinyl Single, with the Single Version on both sides:

https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-And-Cult-Jam-Lost-In-Emoti on/release/4324517

The first commercial U.S. vinyl single, with the Single Version:

https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-And-Cult-Jam-Lost-In-Emoti on/release/1185777

The second commercial U.S. vinyl single, with the Video Version:

https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-And-Cult-Jam-Lost-In-Emoti on/release/4258265

The commercial U.S. vinyl maxi single:

https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-And-Cult-Jam-Lost-In-Emoti on/release/561075

The first pressing of "Gold & Platinum Volume Four" with the Single Version:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Gold-Platinum-Volume-Four/re lease/3117944

The second pressing of "Gold & Platinum Volume Four" with the Single Version, but with a different artwork (!):

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Gold-Platinum-Volume-Four/re lease/12973232

This is the third pressing of "Gold & Platinum Volume Four" with the Video Version, BUT the same artwork as the first pressing (!):

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Gold-Platinum-Volume-Four/re lease/4627696

aaronk wrote: Loveland, do you happen to own a commercial or promo 45 that has an actual run time of 3:59? If so, can you please post the matrix information? There is another thread on this song where other members have stated that both promo and stock copies with printed times of 3:59 have actual run times of 4:34. To date, you're the first person who has stated that there are promo and stock copies that actually run 3:59.

Grrr, Aaron! You're making me doubt myself. I don't have it with me, I'll have to dig it out. But I definitely remember the Single Version being played and not the Video Version. It's very easy to distinguish them, the single version omits this part (which is found on the video version):


(Lost) With my feeling
(Lost) I hit the ceiling
(Lost) With big emotions
(Lost) I can't be dealing

(Lost) I wanna be with you
(Lost) But I don't know how
(Lost) In my heart, babe
I can feel the beat now

(Lost in emotion)
(Lost in emotion)
We're (lost in emotion)

(Lost) My baby
You know that I'm
(Lost) My baby
(Lost in emotion) My-m-m-my-my baby
(Lost in emotion)
(Lost in emotion)
(Lost)

The music video (the omitted part starts at around 3:28):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If8by9Df4wM

This song has aged extremely well, it really is great pop song.

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aaronk wrote: When I get a chance, I'll dig out my stock and promo copies and time them. It would be nice if someone has a copy to verify for sure, and then Pat can add the info to the database. Thanks for pointing out that a 3:59 version does indeed exist.

There is no question that a "Single Version" at 3:59 exists, and it's not merely a fade. Both "Single Version" and "Video Version" have a "Remixed by Full Intention" credit.

Finally, I have figure out the story with the "Emotion Lost! [Can't Find Myself Mix]": The mix really does clock at 4:20, although the commercial vinyl maxi single indicate the mix clocks at just 4:00. Then I read this on the Discogs' entry for the single:

Note: There are more sounds in the inner grooves of Side B, 6 seconds after B track finishes (in dead-space).

Yes. this mix sort of ends at around 4:02, then there are a few seconds of dead silence, and then the mix resumes at 4:09. This track really is 4:20. It's a peculiar mix, as it includes vocals Glenn "White Boy" Rosenstein and Jimmy Santis. This mix can be found only on:


https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-Cult-Jam-Spanish-Fly-Strai ght-To-The-Sky/release/3864074

Now, where "Lost In Emotion [Can't Find Myself Mix]" (notice that this mix is named after the song and not "Motion Is Lost!") came from... I don't believe this mix was ever released before. It appears on:

https://www.discogs.com/Lisa-Lisa-Cult-Jam-Playlist-The-Very -Best-Of-Lisa-Lisa-Cult-Jam/release/7397615

It's longer than the Single Version and Video Version, but shorter than the F.F. Remix and the Album Version. I have a headache.

This is also what I suspect, Ron, but I'll pull my 45
copies today. The Gold & Platinum Vol. 4 CD does
contain a 3:54 edit of the Full Force Remix, and Pat
currently has this listed as "neither 45 nor LP
version." I also looked at a dozen different 45
pictures on eBay, and the matrix number on the label for
both 4:34 and 3:59 pressings is the same on all of them:
ZSS 176141. If the version on each were different, I'd
expect the matrix number to be different.

In the Gold And Platinum thread, I noted that the source of the short edit is the G&P disc itself: G&P is digitally exactly 0.4 dB louder than The Heart Of Soul until an edit at 3:21 that removes 80 beats of the song. This short edit didn't come from any existing version of the song from a prior Columbia release, but was specifically made for Gold And Platinum Vol. 4. It would not surprise me if Gold And Platinum Vol. 4 is the only place where this edit exists.

I knew that the first few Gold And Platinum discs were rereleased with different cover art, but I strongly doubt that there are any mastering differences between the original releases and the rereleases. I suspect that the reported timing on Discogs is incorrect for this second release of G&P Vol. 4. I have the original release, BTW, and that's what's reported in the other thread.

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