Breakfast Club "Never Be The Same"

This one failed to crack the Hot 100 back in 1987. The double A-
sided promo 7" MCA-53194 features a "Shep Pettibone Mix". Do
you know if this remix made an apparition on digital format at all?

Did anyone ever check if the 12" could be edited down to match the 7"?

I'm a bit confused with Gene's editing instructions. Is
the 45 version of Shep's mix 3:59 or 4:46? There is a
video version on youtube that clocks in at 3:57 but
after you cut off the first bit of dialogue, it runs
3:52 so I'm not sure about that one.   Can anyone list
the edit(s) and fade point to recreate the
promo/commercial 3:59 version? Much appreciated.

(Updating my original follow-up with fresh instructions, etc.)

Thanks to the link that Mike (mjb50) posted in the thread below, I was able to review the "Short" 45 A-Side Version. As it turns out, yes, it can be successfully re-created from the 12" Version, but my original assumption that the longer
4:44 "Long" edit that Gene posted instructions for above could just undergo a couple of snips to get down to the "Short" version, was incorrect. I'll explain what happened there in the next post if you're interested.

So, in order to create the single version of "Never Be the Same", let's start over again with a fresh copy of Shep's 12" Version. I used the Dance Classics mastering, same as Gene:

1. Delete from 0.00 to 41.512. The right edit point will be just before a downbeat (kickdrum + cymbal) where the keyboards come in.
2. From the resultant file, delete about 16.5 seconds from 0:01.154 to 0:18.052. The edit point should be just a tiny hair to the left of the '4th beat' in either measure, which is a "snare" hit. Putting the edit points just to the
left of the beat will result in the guitar appearing barely before the snare hit, after the edit is performed.
3. From the resultant file, delete about 1:39.094 from 3:16.625 to 4:55.719. Both the left edit point and the right will be on a snare hit concurrent with the word "the" (as in "... the same"). By doing this, you are removing the breakdown
section of the dance mix. After performing the edit, you should have a saxophone rolling into the mix pretty soon after the cut.
4. This next edit is a bit tricky. You would think that with the file whittled down to its current length, you could simply snip the end and fade, but alas... Someone thought it would be a good idea to loop some of the previous chorus in
before fading. So, what you need to do here is:
      a. Go to 3:27.981 and copy to the end of your current file. The left edit ("copy") point should be on the snare concurrent with the word "never".
      b. Replace from 3:40.370 to the end of your original file with the section you copied in 4a. The edit ("replace") point is again, on a snare concurrent with the word "never".
      c. Your new file length should be about 4:25.157. The previous cut+paste in steps 4a-b should have changed the flow of the lyrics from "I will never be the same" to "I will ne-veeeer be... (oh)"
5. Now the "snip & fade". I admit that my fade-end point is just an educated guess, as the Youtube rip that Mike linked to below cuts off at about 3:56 before the fade is fully, fully complete. Based on the rate at which the song is fading
when the video cuts, I believe it is very safe to assume that the 3:59 time printed on the label is pretty spot-on. I actually cut my file at 4:00.139 on the snare after the lyric, "Everything may be the same as it was." The fade starts at
around 3:46.5 and is a typical bell curve, pretty quick on the front end actually.
6. The only thing left to do now, if you're a perfectionist, is futz with the tail on the cymbal that leads into the first beat. I faded mine in just a hair to be less abrupt. YMMV on that point.

I admit this is an embarrassing amount of specificity for a song that I'm sure not a lot of people are that excited about (LOL), but I wanted to share the instructions for the record.   Enjoy!

Edited by EternalStatic

Would love to hear both the short and long edits as I don't
have source material to work with to complete my own edits.

Thanks!!

FYI for anyone who is interested in this song, I have the
commercial 45 with the 4:45 and 3:59 versions and they can
both be recreated until a certain point - the fade outs.
There is a different sax arrangement layered over the
vocals that is not present on the 12" that I can find.
There are 2 Shep single versions posted on YouTube, one is
probably a custom made edit and the other is the true 45
but cuts off.


Edited by promojunkie