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Originally posted by PopArchivist PopArchivist wrote:

Plenty of songs that never charted are immensely popular (Stairway to Heaven, Gimme A Man After Midnight etc) too.

"Gimme, Gimme, Gimme" by Abba is a great example of something that could be added. Even though it didn't chart, it was relased as a US 45, and there is a 45 version that differs from the album version. That's something I think our members would be interested in knowing, don't you?

"Stairway To Heaven" is not as interesting since there weren't any 45s released in 1972, other than a promo that has the full-length album version. I'm not against adding it, though.

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I definitely like the idea of adding lower-charting hits where the single versions are drastically different from the album version. Somewhat arbitrary, I know, but even if we get
some of the great research from this chat board into the "header" of these entries that would be great start, even if the CD sources come at a later date (or not at all).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LunarLaugh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 March 2025 at 10:47am
If we are allowing certain non top 40 entries, I think they should be represented by different font color to keep them differentiated
from selections that made the top 40.

I have to say, I enjoy the new logo although I admittedly miss the zero in "40" being a compact disc. Fairly small criticism.
This is a true massive undertaking and I applaud the efforts thus far.
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Originally posted by LunarLaugh LunarLaugh wrote:

If we are allowing certain non top 40 entries, I think they should be represented by different font color to keep them differentiated from selections that made the top 40.

Ron raised this point, too, so we will figure out a way to flag the non top 40 entries.
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As I stated earlier for Top 40 entries I am working on every existing top 40 radio edit being identified and given to Aaron so that while it many not have made CD someone can know that it exists. How you want to handle this in the database is up to you.

I will add one thing that always bothered me about what Pat did. If the site truly wants to be "Top 40 music on CD" the promo and maxi-singles need some kind of mention. For all purposes they are "on CD" and released in the US. I realize how long it would take to update the database with the promo information but for instance if you were looking for Carly Simon's Let The River Run you can have a listing for the promo version since it is on a CD. Takes a minute to update the database like that and now when I go to search I can now seek out that edit version on the promo since I now know it exists.

These additions help make for a better "CD" database when we already know that the top 40 has went all digital each year for years now. I mean I get it if you don't want to include CD Maxi or CD promo single running times but they are just as much a part of a complete "Top 40 Music on CD" as anything else out there.
"I'm a pop archivist, not a chart philosopher, I seek to listen, observe and document the chart position of music."
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Rich, I completely agree, and you're not alone in wanting CD singles to be added to the database. Pat most likely excluded them from the beginning because it would have required an enormous amount of additional data entry, and it's likely he didn't have a "complete" library of CD singles to work with. By contrast, he truly has (or at least had) every disc listed in the database to be able to check them personally.

That said, I think there can be special cases (bonus entries) where some CD singles and imports can be added, especially for songs where people are still looking for a specific 45 version or promo edit and don't know where to find it. I'm thinking specifically of "Back To Back Hits" CD singles and/or import CD singles that have US 45 versions we've rarely (or never) seen show up anywhere else.

As for promo CD singles, most of us know that for the entire decade of the 1990s essentially every top 40 hit was on a promo CD in the "hit" radio version. Sure, a few exceptions pop up here and there, but largely it can be assumed that you'll find what you're looking for on a promo CD for the 1990s. I'd put those in a "maybe someday" category as far as database adds go. Including that the "Radio Edit" exists at all is, however, very helpful information and should be summarized in the notes area. I'm all about adding that info once you've passed it along to me.
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