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What do you call intro/end info on labels |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I saw an interesting question on Discogs:
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I'm not fully getting the gist of the question I don't think. However, I'm going to take a guess and quote one of my old remix services, "Powerhouse" and see
if this is at least close. On a number of those discs was the bold claim of the tracks having exclusive "Riding 32 beats." Though I never in recent days have seen anything like this come up in conversation, I've seen other services use 16, 32 and 64 beats in that way. I really don't know if there ever was a standard. |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Heh, well, the question is what people in the record & radio industry would call that data. Like if someone at a radio station asked you what that label text says, they might say "go look at that record and tell me what the programming cues are". I am just making up that term, though ("programming cues"). Does it have a name?
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Working back in the radio business when our music was on
cartridges, that type of info would lead me to believe it is a 7 second intro before the first vocal of the song starts, the song has a run time of 2:49 and the type of ending of the song is a fade out. Exactly as you had stated in your first sentence. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Expanding on that a bit, the "2:49" was the point where you would play the next event...not necessarily the end of the audio in a song with a fade ending, but a point where the fade-out was established. Obviously, with a cold ending it would be the end of the song. Every station I worked at referred to a sustained note ending as a "cool" ending, but this may have been a regional thing. Additionally, there may be multiple intro times listed on some songs, usually labeled as :03/:10/2:47/C. The multiple "posts" in the intro marking a notable change, be it a guitar kicking in, a "woo!" or something else the DJ might want to be aware of. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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But going back to the original question, of what do you actually call the notation of ":03/:10/2:47/C"?
I don't know. I've never heard anyone describe the actual notation by a name or phrase. It's just that thing that you write in china marker on the label of the promo 45 or the jewel box of the promo CD single. It's pretty well standardized, for sure, but it doesn't have a name. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I agree with Ron. There is no "official" terminology, we always just called it "writing notes on the label."
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CountryPD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 July 2023 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I always referred to them as "timing labels"
For those that never worked in radio, back in the days of playing 45's on the air I cut file folder labels in half and typed the tempo, intro time(s), total time of the recording and the type of ending. I placed the label at the top of the 45 generally covering the record label logo so as to not to obscure the song title, artist, songwriter or other label info. Here's how I labeled them: Tempo: two letters separated by a slash [/] as some songs were not just slow, medium or fast. S/S, S/M, M/M, M/F, F/F Intro: instrumental time before vocal begins. Might include two numbers if there was more than one post to hit in the case of a long instrumental intro. If the song began with a vocal and without an instrumental intro it was designated as :00 underlined in bold type. Total time: tracked each record with a timer to obtain accurate time as many of the record labels contain incorrect timing info. Needed an accurate time when backtiming to a newscast or a hard break set for a specific exact time. Ending: could be a fade, cold (definite ending) or a cold/fade (definite ending but the final note(s) have a long sustain) A definite but abrupt ending would be "cold" with an exclamation point [COLD!] Example of a label: F/F :09 2:35 FADE File folder labels with different colors were used to designate different categories for records. We used three colors for our current rotations [high, medium, low] and another color for recurrent. Prior to computer music scheduling records were manually rotated within stacks from front to back so different colors were necessary to designate their category. Oldies had plain white timing labels with a second small sticker designating their category by various letters [A, B, C, etc.] When we transitioned to playing music from broadcast tape cartridges the same designations were typed on the file folder label placed on the edge of the tape cartridge. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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("programming cues")
That seems to work for me. I see I was pretty much off the question. Are we able to do voting in this forum? :) Dave |
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<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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At one station I worked at, we had the entire on-air library on 3x5 index cards and the pertinent info was on each card (the
station owner didn't want to deface the record labels). Of course, when I got there I added the relevant chart info (including peak position), using my RR book. After you played the record, it was filed back in the library (A-Z by artist) and the card was put at the end of the stack in the box that held the cards. |
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