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    Posted: 02 June 2025 at 2:25pm
I realize many of you are not into streaming services because of the lower quality, but ...

I've had a paid Pandora account for years. While most songs used to stream up to at least 20k, I'm finding now that everything I've checked only goes up to 16k (and cuts off sharply). I checked cuts from several different albums and this seems to be the case.

I didn't downgrade to a free pandora account. So I'm wondering if anyone else here pays for Pandora and has noticed this lower "mp3 level" quality. Or if you can check what you're finding on your end.

(BTW, I think most of us here, including me, are audiophiles, looking for the best quality. And go to painstaking steps to get it. But I'll just say this about the streaming services I pay for. I discover great songs on them. And then buy them on CD, or at the very least, lossless format on Qobuz).

Edited by EdisonLite - 02 June 2025 at 3:48pm
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Deezer is mostly lossless and untouched. Tidal used to "touch" the source files and turned them into some compressed, lossy quality format called MQA, which now after much controversy, they dropped and turned back to flac.
Spotify is and has always been lossy as far as I know.
Qobuz, well it'll always depend what they get from labels but in general, most of their stuff is in lossless quality, and it's the one featuring a lot of material in "High Def" (AKA 24bit, 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz, whether your audiophile skilled ears can hear any of those or not, lol).
Not sure how up-to-date/reliable the following info is, but here you go:
Comparison of music streaming services
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Well, this is a strange one. On Pandora, I discovered an alternate mix to a 1979 Frank Mills song, which I liked a lot. It showed it cut off at 16k (mp3 quality), as did about 5 other random songs I checked. So I bought this recording from Qobuz to get the better quality. And the qobuz file also cuts off dramatically at 16k. But here's the strange part. It came from a V.A. comp CD from 1995. (I couldn't find the CD anywhere, but back then, before most people even had home computers, there weren't songs released only on streaming services, and not CD. So an mp3 was supplied as a source for this 1995 CD. I know starting in the 2000s, an occasional CD single release would have an mp3 as a source. But in 1995, a CD of a 1979 song??

Maybe Pandora still broadcasts in 20k+ quality, like I had observed a few years back. I'll have to check more songs.

But it always such a disappointment when buying a "lossless" flac on Qobuz and 7Digital and getting mp3 quality. And Qobuz stopped giving refunds for something like this situation quite a while ago.
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Cristian, thanks for the link to the comparison of music streaming services. That was very informative.
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It sometimes depends on the source. Sometimes all a label or distributor delivers to any given service is a an MP3 or maybe even a WAV that's sourced from MP3. I won't say that it happens all the time but it certainly does happen.
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As LunarLaugh pointed out, sometimes labels are the ones to blame.
Whitney Houston's "I believe in you and me" and "Step by step" are lossy in each and every single release I tested. It's lossy-mastered I guess. Whatever they used as the master recording had been downgraded to mp3 quality (at 128kbps lol). That was 1996.
There are many recordings that suffered from that. A Celine Dion track that was part of an album (don't remember which one) is lossy too. Cher's "When the money's gone" is lossy too.
The latter though are more into the 2000s I think.
You're most welcome about that link :)
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