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"Hold On To My Love" Jimmy Ruffin |
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80smusicfreak ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Thanks for the insight, EdisonLite...
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TimNeely ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 09 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think the rights to "Hold On to My Love" are owned by whomever administers the estate of Robin Gibb. The album and follow-up 45 both have the credit "℗ 1980 YAM INC.", which was a company set up by Robin Gibb in 1977 and dissolved in 1986.
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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In the 80's and early 90's the owner was presumed to
be Polygram because the RSO catalog went to Polygram. (and later Universal). This is how it ended up on a few V/A comps back then. But it was discovered by Polygram they didn't actually have the rights. We tried to license the song in 2016 and we did track down the current owner. It is in fact "the estate of Robin Gibb". TimNeely is correct. We put in a request for license to the Gibb organization and were declined. This could be for any number of reasons. Often, it boils down to the amount of money they'd get isn't enough to cover the legal costs of setting up the license. There could have been other legal factors as well. Either way, sadly it's unlikely this track will ever be licensed for CD again. MM Edited by MMathews |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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It's a sad shame that any top 10 hit from that period can't make a various artist compilation in the U.S. and that the entire album never made it to CD here either... |
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Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD."
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes, all CD appearances of the 8:28 extended version are taken from the Disconet extended version made exclusively for club and radio play. It as made from the 2 sides of the vinyl 45, the hit version and instrumental B-side. And sadly, the 45 they used was pressed off-center and you can hear this effect in parts of the extended mix. MM |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
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Mark, are you saying that the extended version of Hold On to My Love on all CDs comes from vinyl?? That would really be bad if that's the case. And if so, have you tried to re-create the extended version by using as much as you can from the CD source? kinda like what I did to create the extended version of Kinks' "Come Dancing" - although after reading what I've learned tonight, I just ordered a CD that has the extended version of "Come Dancing" (hopefully taken from tape). Granted, recreating the Jimmy Ruffin extended version would require more work than that of the Kinks one, but I'm curious if you've tried that.
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MMathews ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes, Gordon, that's correct. The Disconet 12" was created
from vinyl and all CD appearances of it are from a vinyl copy of that. I've wanted to re-create it myself from better sources but it's one of those projects that I may get to when I retire. I do have a nice dub of the instrumental side from a properly pressed 45. MM |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
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Well, Mark ... I guess you're not the only person looking forward to YOUR retirement! :)
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Captain-Harker ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 May 2025 Location: Monmouth County Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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![]() I'm finding it really difficult to get Jimmy Ruffin's music on MP3 TOO! Amazon doesn't have it! I can't buy it, can't download it to my MP3! (and NO! I most certainly do NOT "stream" like one of these Gen-XYZ kids!!! Music from OUR generation should not be limited to this Internet new-fangled "streaming" business! |
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Live Long and Prosper
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
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When I worked on Rhino's "Radio Daze - Pop Hits of the '80s" series, this song was one I was REALLY hoping to get, but the licensing department at Rhino got a "No". I wasn't given any reason at the time, but I believe it has to do with a question of just who owns the master - The Bee Gees, Robert Stigwood, etc. The full length single did come out on one UK CD comp. (And the dj promo [shorter] version came out on a US CD.) Both from master tape. But yeah, that song isn't something that can be found for purchase on Amazon as an mp3, or lossless on sites like Qobuz. The parent album has never been released on official CD from master tape anywhere in the world - at least as far as I can tell.
I can't really speak for his '60s stuff, which I think has been out on CD, i.e. some Jimmy Ruffin compilations. |
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