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The 'edit version' on US promo PRCD 2076 is an audibly punchier mastering than the 'lp version' on the same promo disc.

The 'lp version' has the full fade-in count-off.

The 'edit version' first second of music cannot be recreated from the 'lp version'

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Were the US and UK edits of "I've Been in Love Before" different?

The "Official Video", as played on VH1, has a cold open with no countdown or overlapping orchestra sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwtwd5KGaA

(The sound is heavily compressed, but that's probably due to VH1's processing for broadcast.)

But the "Edit" version that's on the UK "The Best of Cutting Crew" CD fades in with the countdown and orchestra sound that overlaps the first note:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld-PpudeoL8

(The channels swap at 0:12 -- editing mistake?)


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I'm still unsure what the "US LP version" is. My version of the Broadcast CD (now sold) included the "UK LP version".

I'll detail what I know.

"LP Version" from track 2 of promo CD single Virgin PRCD 2076 (printed 5:27, actual 5:27 or so)

The version here fades in with an orchestra tuning sound. The first beat of the song is at 0:16. The first word "catch" is at 0:42. The fade starts at 4:59 and ends at 5:27. Those late-'80s fades go on forever...

Is this the US LP version?

UK LP version (5:07)

On my version of Broadcast, the orchestra tuning starts later and is buried under the fade of the previous track on Broadcast, "One For The Mockingbird". Specifically, the first few seconds of tuning from the promo CD single "LP version" are absent from the end of "One For The Mockingbird" on my Broadcast CD.

The first beat of the song is at 0:00 (a little of the orchestra tuning is heard right before the beat). The first word "catch" is at 0:27. The fade starts at 4:43 and ends at 5:07. The tail of the fade extends about 6 beats longer on the promo CD single than on my version of Broadcast.

The version on Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 7 (1993) uses the same analog transfer as my version of Broadcast.

The version of Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 8 Ordinary World (2007) is a digital clone of my version of Broadcast (about 2.5 dB louder) and included additional material at the beginning that is from the end of "One For The Mockingbird". Here, it fades up quickly right before the count of "one".

"Edit Version" from track 1 of promo CD single Virgin PRCD 2076 (printed 3:55, actual 3:58)

The first beat of the song is at 0:00. It's a nice clean downbeat here, with no orchestra tuning artifacts, so there's no way to extract this from the LP version. There's an edit that shortens the intro. I think the edit is on a snare hit with a breathy sound at 0:08, which is where a shaky sound starts in the left channel. The first word "catch" is at 0:14. The fade starts at 3:44 and ends at 3:58.

The left and right channels are swapped compared to the LP version (including all of the LP versions listed above).

There's a different analog transfer on PolyTel Canada's On Top (1988), but that disc is even more rare than the promo CD single.

Previously unreleased edit on 2003's Best Of (4:02)

This includes a portion of the orchestra tuning from Broadcast. You can hear the very end of the keyboard line from "One For The Mockingbird".

The first beat of the song is at 0:05. The first 0:12 of the song has the left/right channel configuration of the LP version. At 0:12, the left/right channels flip. After 0:12 the left/right channels match the "Edit Version". There's an edit at 0:12 and possibly another one on the snare hit with a breathy sound at 0:13. The first word "catch" is at 0:18. The fade starts at 3:49 and ends at 4:02.

The mastering on Best Of is great, with excellent source material, a very nice EQ, no evidence of added noise reduction, and a dynamic range like it was 1986.

It differs from the "Edit Version" in that the opening note and intro aren't clean, like on the "Edit Version", and the left/right channels are swapped in the first 12 seconds of the song.
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1st single & video version (4:30) - Begins with cold open, no orchestra fading out, so cannot be recreated from the LP version. Per Discogs, this version was released in December 1986 in the UK, continental Europe, Australia & New Zealand. It was also released in Italy circa April 1987, and Japan in December 1987. My copy is from the German CD High Life - Da geht die Post ab! and has weak treble.

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The 1987 "Edit Version" as described by Ron I think was just edited down from that first single version, and was released in November 1987 in the UK & Ireland, and on US promo 45s. US & Canada retail 45s ended up with the full 5:25 LP version.

I determined that the Best Of edit can be recreated from the album version (+ the end of the preceding track), although I don't know why anyone would want to do that again.

The Broadcast album has been released with several tracklists, and no one on Discogs or elsewhere has really sorted it all out yet. You can't tell by just the artwork/credits, catalog number, or format. One of the things that changes is the placement of the boundary between tracks 2 & 3 on CD. Some put it before the count-off and some put it after. Some releases have the original Tim Palmer mixes of tracks 1, 2, and 6. Some replace all three with Shelly Yakus remixes. Some replace only 1 & 2 with Shelly Yakus remixes, but keep the Tim Palmer mix of track 6.


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