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I just bought an iPhone 13 mini, and fear not, EdisonLite, the Music app on
the
iPhone will accept iTunes-created playlists. Now, I say that with a grain of
salt,
as in 2021, I moved to Big Sur on a new iMac, which no longer has iTunes,
however it has the "Music" app, which is iTunes' replacement. I can state
with
almost certainty that iTunes and the Music app on an iPhone still "talk to
each
other" in terms of playlists.

<edit for further clarity>

Actually, it is not the Big Sur Music app that you use to "sync" playlists to
your iPhone, rather the Finder app (which obviously "accesses" the playlists
you've created in Music app).

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Originally posted by jebsib jebsib wrote:

A few years ago there was a huge media story on how Apple's seminal iTunes was going
to disappear, so those of us with massive mp3 libraries, be damned!

As it turned out, nothing really changed and it was more of an Apple branding thing.

However, any sharp collector and music historian will see the writing on the wall and
realize - just as 45s, record players and cassingles were phased out - it is only a matter of
time before we will no longer have a la carte track purchases.

Obviously the music industry has moved onto streaming as the primary method of
consuming music. And streaming is great - fast, affordable and convenient.

However, as collectors who may have built up huge libraries of iTunes files, are any of you
worried that one day your libraries will be unplayable / obsolete? Or that streaming does
not offer you the same 'feeling of completion / ownership' that owning a library provides?

I personally love the ability to add artwork, tinker with song metadata (add peak positions,
etc), - all things that don't seem possible with streaming playlists and platforms.

And how long do you give the current software before it is no longer available in a future
update?


I can do everything that I did in Itunes in mp3tag including artwork, metadata. The only thing I use Itunes for is loading my phone up with music. Otherwise thanks to Ron (crapfromthepast) and his lesson on even generating html lists using mp3tag I have found Itunes to just be loading software, nothing more. If someone knows an interface for windows that replaces Itunes to load an Iphone, I would probably switch!
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Originally posted by Hykker Hykker wrote:

I've never used I-tunes, nor do I have any plans to. My (digitized) collection resides on a NAS with several backups on external hard drives, it's a
combination of .wav, .flac & mp3...no proprietary formats that need a special player.

Like others here, streaming doesn't particularly appeal to me. I don't own a "mobile device", and if I'm on/near a computer my own library is available.


It will be a cold day before Spotify or Apple Music get my hard earned money. As Hykker did I went digital about 10 years ago and never looked back. If I need digital source that I cant download I buy the cd, rip it and give it to others who want the physical CD.

Of course backup, backup, backup your digital collection.

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Originally posted by davidclark davidclark wrote:

I just bought an iPhone 13 mini, and fear not, EdisonLite, the Music app on the
iPhone will accept iTunes-created playlists. Now, I say that with a grain of salt,
as in 2021, I moved to Big Sur on a new iMac, which no longer has iTunes,
however it has the "Music" app, which is iTunes' replacement. I can state with
almost certainty that iTunes and the Music app on an iPhone still "talk to each
other" in terms of playlists.


OK, I think I understand what you're saying. But this forum seems like a good place to take a poll since we all want to preserve what we've collected...

Who here has upgraded from an old iPhone (and had made playlists in iTunes on that phone) to a newer iPhone that didn't come with iTunes - did you check to see if all the playlists you created transferred properly over to the "Apple Music" app or the "Music" app or whatever they call it? No missing playlists? or songs in the wrong order, or songs missing from the playlists?

I'm guessing there are some people here who have iphones and upgraded in the years since iTunes wasn't a "thing" on their phone anymore.
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I have an Iphone 12 512GB, I have Itunes in Windows 64GB and all my playlists are fine. I create new ones and have no issues.
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Eeeeek! 34% of my collection is vinyl, 63% of it is on Compact Disc and CD-R's, 2% on cassettes and open reel, the remaining 1% is
on my hard-drive that I'm currently working on before I burn it to a CD-R. The only thing I fear is a house fire!! -Bill.
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Yeah, my new (-ish) iPhone "Music" app plays all my iTunes playlists.
However, I can't imagine that this will be the case within 5 years (!)

On another note, sign me up for the ANTI Spotify / Apple Music stream team:

Let's say you made a carefully curated playlist of every #1 song ever.
Suddenly it would have gaps wherever a Neil Young song appears (or any other
song / artist that might be taken down for whatever unforeseen reason)

... that would never happen when you own your own songs!
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

OK, I think I understand what you're saying. But this forum seems like a good place to take a poll since we all want to preserve what we've collected...

Who here has upgraded from an old iPhone (and had made playlists in iTunes on that phone) to a newer iPhone that didn't come with iTunes - did you check to see if all the playlists you created transferred properly over to the "Apple Music" app or the "Music" app or whatever they call it? No missing playlists? or songs in the wrong order, or songs missing from the playlists?

I'm guessing there are some people here who have iphones and upgraded in the years since iTunes wasn't a "thing" on their phone anymore.

I generally don't use my phone for playing music playlists, but I can say that m3u playlists (the ones created in iTunes) can and do transfer without any issues using my MacBook. The process for doing it is a little different on the new OSX, but I've synced playlists to my phone without any problems. The new app is simply called "Music" (not "Apple Music," which is a streaming service). Windows still uses the iTunes app, and I would assume everything works fine there, too, going from iTunes to "Music" (iPhone), but I have not tried it.
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Originally posted by jebsib jebsib wrote:

Yeah, my new (-ish) iPhone "Music" app plays all my iTunes playlists.
However, I can't imagine that this will be the case within 5 years (!)

You might be right, but keep in mind that an iTunes playlist (m3u) is just a text document that tells the program which file you want it to play and where that file is stored on the device. In fact, you can open an m3u playlist in Windows Notepad (or any text editor) and see all the information contained in it. There's nothing fancy about those playlist files at all. If you wanted to, you could create one in Notepad, save it with an m3u extension, and iTunes (Music) would read it.
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