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"True" - Spandau Ballet |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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Ron, you are exactly right that I did not flip the channels when creating my custom edit, and I most likely used "Forever 80s" as my source. I just pulled out the promo 45, and the hi-hat starts in the left channel, just like the commercial 45. Printed time of the promo 45 is 4:58, but it really runs 5:00.
Also, the flip side of the promo 45 contains the "Long Version" with a printed time of 5:40. Thankfully, it's a virtually unplayed copy, so I could pinpoint the end of the fadeout. It runs 5:37. Edited by aaronk |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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I did some comparisons based on Ron's notes above, and while the Billboard disc does have a better source tape, the edit is slightly different from The Singles Collection. I suspect that Bill Inglot didn't care for the sound of the single master and edited the LP version to match the 45. The edit on The Singles Collection appears at 4:37.4 on the word "much" (in the line "this much is true"). The edit on the Rhino disc appears at 4:37.0 on the downbeat before the line "this much is true."
It's nitpicky, but Rhino's edit is not the true single version (pun intended) if you want to split hairs. |
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Oddbjorn ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 14 November 2007 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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FWIW. My CD 'The Singles Collection' (West Germany: Chrysalis 610 539-222 AE880 1985) starts with the hi-hat in the left channel. Also the rest of the songs I have checked (5 other songs) have got the channels right.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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45 version (5:37)
The earliest appearance of the 45 version is likely Chrysalis' Spandau Ballet The Singles Collection (1985). There's a little bit of hum, and the left and right channels are reversed (hi-hat starts in the right channel), but it runs to a nice length of 5:35, has a great dynamic range, reasonable EQ, and no trace of noise reduction on the fade. The same analog transfer (including the swapped left and right channels) is used on:
Segment 1 Extends from 0:00 to 4:37.3 of the LP and 45 versions Ends on a snare hit on the word "much" Remove the 80 beats from 4:37.3 to 5:26.4 of the LP version Segment 2 Begins on a snare hit on the word "much" Extends from 4:37.3 to 5:37 (end) of the 45 version Extends from 5:26.4 to 6:26 (end) of the LP version I don't have a needledrop of the actual 45 to compare, but I would think that The Singles Collection would include the actual 45 version, rather than a recreation of the 45 edit. If you follow the instructions above, the recreation runs about two seconds longer than The Singles Collection, due to the extremely long tail to the fade. It's pretty insignificant. Now, four US compilations that include the song, none of which are based on the mastering for The Singles Collection:
And finally, a boatload of foreign compilatons, all with the proper left/right channels, that all include the proper 45 edit, but with wildly varying lengths based on how far out the tail of the fade extends:
Ever-so-slightly incorrect attempt to recreate the 45 edit As Aaron noted, Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1983 (1992) gets the edit wrong, by editing exactly one beat too early. Here, the edit is on the downbeat before the word "much", rather than at the snare exactly on the word "much". It's too bad, because the sound quality is superb on this disc, and the track runs longer than any other version out there. The same analog transfer as Billboard Top Hits 1983 (and therefore the same incorrect edit) is also used on:
EMI Australia's 5-CD Eighties Complete Vol. 1 (1997) runs about 5:44, and is edited differently from the 45. I didn't spend too much time with this one. I suspect that the 5:04 version on swaitek's promo 50-CD The A-List (1994) is an in-house edit done by TM Century and based on the mastering for The Singles Collection. The left and right channels are reversed on this disc, too. |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Ron,
Thank you so much for your detailed research! |
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Ron S ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 04 July 2018 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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What about this version heard on the music video? It runs 5:16. This is
not the promo 45 version? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8D2yqgQ1U Edited by Ron S |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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The music video in the link you posted has the commercial 45 version faded to 5:16. The promo 45 version has an edited intro, whereas the video does not.
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David Pro ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 August 2020 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Ron, I found a Spandau Ballet compilation which contains
the proper commercial 45 edit. The compilation is titled Gold: The Best of Spandau Ballet. More info on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/es/Spandau-Ballet-Gold-The-Best- Of-Spandau-Ballet/master/305381 Edited by David Pro |
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I recall hearing a particular edit on the radio when
"True" was popular: it cut out the middle half of the sax solo, leaving the beginning quarter and end quarter of the solo. Now, I was 5 years old when it was popular, so my memory may be messing with me. :-) But, it seems quite indelible. I was living mostly in the Milwaukee area at the time, so maybe it was a custom edit by a Milwaukee radio station? Today I'm a Program Director for a Classic Hits radio station in Wisconsin, and I re-created that edit via software, which is the version my station plays. If anyone wants to give it a listen to see if it sounds familiar, I can share the audio! |
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