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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 209 |
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Re: "Please Mr. Postman"
<(the original 45 mixes of Please Mr. Postman and Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft are also MIA on CD).> I don't think this has ever been mention before, or even in Pat's book -- there's a 45 mix of "Please Mr. Postman"??? And only the "LP version" and re-mixes have made it to CD? Is this true? |
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The 45 mix of Please Mr. Postman probably doesn't qualify as a "45 version" under Pat's criteria due to the fact that it sounds like just a rebalancing of instruments & vocals, with no unique instrument or vocal elements on the 45. However, you can definitely tell a difference in the mix. The 45 mix has a more "lo-fi" sound than the LP mix. |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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So what's the story, morning glory? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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BTW, those 90's Time/Lifes are DEFINITELY bogus - I got 'em when they first came out, (futilly) hoping. As for the new 3-CD import, it has just arrived. MOSTLY good news. Richard's tinkering is gone. The only REAL clunker is on "Yesterday Once More", where essential and original mix guitar parts are MISSING. I never recall hearing it like that, but I don't have that original LP, so it could still possibly be the original LPv, but I doubt it; it DEFINITELY isn't the 45v, though. And, predictably, the LP, not the 45 versions, for "Ticket To Ride", "Top Of The World" and "Calling Occupants" are used. However, I am THRILLED to report that my 3 top "original version wants", "We've Only Just Begun", "Superstar" and "Goodbye To Love", have been "De-Richard-remixed". I believe both the LP and 45 versions for those 3 songs were the same. Also, "I Won't Last A Day Without You", "Hurting Each Other", "For All We Know", "It's Going To Take Some Time", and "Close To You" are the correct originals, although I'd previously gotten those on CD correctly. I haven't yet listened to from "Please Mr. Postman" on with a critical ear yet (I'm sure the LP mix on that one, a current Board topic, will be on the new Import), but the aforementioned songs were the ones Richard did most of his "embellishing" damage on. So, at long last, I have now finally gained a little personal confidence to some prior thread statements that this "latest" round of "Carpenters Remasters" may actually, FINALLY be the CORRECT original album mixes. If buying, however, you may wanna check the "Born On" date for the CDs. 2005/2006 - you're probably OK. 1990s "Carpenters Remasters" - buyer beware.
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Thanks for the rundown, Jim.
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Sorting through the mess that has been created with the various remixes issued on CD over the years has perplexed me.
Armed with a copy of the original A&M 45 of Superstar that I recently acquired, along with the original "Carpenters" vinyl LP and the "Remastered Classics" CD (A&M 828393502), here is my assessment as it relates to those specific products: - The mix of Superstar on the original Carpenters LP and the Remastered Classics CD is the same. They both contain the light high hat tapping from :14 to :20. - The 45 mix of Superstar is different than the original LP mix; no high hat at :14. So, the 45 version of Superstar is a different mix than the original LP version. Simple enough. My open questions are: - Does the Remastered Classics of Singles 69-73 contain the original 45 mix, LP mix, or a new mix altogether? - Which mix is on the recent 3-disc import (45 mix with no high hat or the LP mix)? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Roscoe: Your "Superstar" comments surprised me a little. I have 5 other Carpenters CD comps beside the 3-CD Import I just bought (Box Set, Time/Life, '69-'73, 25th Anniv. Collection, and an "A&M Classics" 2-CD set), but not the "Remastered Classics" set you refer to. I just played my original 45 again, my 1971 mono DJ 45 again, my '69-73 CD (which version I would've considered acceptable if "Rainy Days And Mondays" didn't start 7 seconds before the "Superstar" ending is completed.) Per your instructions, I've repeatedly listened for the presence/non-presence of that hi-hat between :14 and :20. You seem to have a matter-of-fact, totally unwavering confidence in the appearance/absence of such, clearly resulting in your "2 versions" conclusion. Roscoe, I just can't get there; I don't know what the heck you are hearing that is so obviously jumping out at you, sir. I hear the hi-hat on my 45; I hear it on my DJ 45; I hear it on my '69-'73 CD - I hear it on my Import 3-CD set. I just can't find a source where the hi-hat is NOT there. David Clark has recently compared a 45v dub I sent him to a digital source he has; his expert ear has also given it the "45v thumbs up." You're puzzled with my findings, and I'm puzzled by yours. BTW, I've long believed some of their 45s were slightly pitched up for release, especially "I Won't Last A Day Without You", and "Superstar" as well. My ear isn't great, Roscoe. but David has a good one. Maybe we can call in another of the Board's "Audio PhD's" like Ed, Todd, Aaron or Brian, to help us finally get to the bottom of it. Any volunteers?
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Well, if Roscoe and David want to email me their respective 45 dubs of Superstar, I'll see what I can hear. Maybe there were two different 45 versions. My email addresss is superbu1 at yahoo.
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Well, I stand corrected (he says while carefully wiping egg from face). My 45 is scratchy and the :14-:20 high hat was a little buried in surface noise. I just wasn't listening hard enough. It's very low in the mix, but it's there. I revise my earlier comment: The 45 mix and LP mix are one and the same. This is the mix that's available on the Remastered Classics version of the Carpenters CD. I can also confirm that the LP and 45 speeds are the same. FWIW, the "Remastered Classics" series is a good one to know about. It has been purported to be the only complete release of all the original albums in their unaltered state on CD. I have all the Remastered Classics, and have yet to come across any songs that sound different than the original LP versions (although I haven't been anal enough to A-B all of them). Sorry for my error. |
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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my commercial 45 for the carpenters song 'superstar' issued
as a&m 1289 lists a run time on the label as 3:49 and does indeed run that length...and matches perfectly the version on the japanese box set....this 45 run time s/b added to the db.....as many of the remix versions run short |
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