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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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I have the 1955-2016 pop annual and the Top Pop Hits 1955-2015 and was just curious why radio edits of songs are not given credence over the 45 or the long play version?
Let's face it, few radio stations if ever played Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel's 6 minute 45 version, exactly because of the long length. The radio edit was clearly played and it is the only version that most everyone I know has heard. Yet other than on an A List disc or radio only disc it does not exist on a regular CD release. Yet a good percentage of the 90's radio edit versions are clearly on CD and were released, but again not on comps of that era. Usually the LP version was the one that always got on the various artists discs. I just get curious why Whitburn and even Downey gloss over the CD single market when some of these radio edits only exist on promo or cd singles of the period? Even the database won't list CD singles, and Whitburn acts as if they don't exist where these valuable and often well known radio edits were the only versions played. The NOW series here and in the UK offer these rare radio edits for the last few decades, and these edits are often thankfully the same ones played on radio. Shouldn't the radio edits have just as much mention as the 45 version or LP versions they were edited from? They are just as much valid releases here in the US, charted on billboard and were mostly available to the public in the last few decades.... Edited by PopArchivist |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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The Record Research policy has always been to use the
commercially released single for the timings in the Pop Annual, since these are the versions that were made widely available to the general public and those are the versions that we were able to actually collect and verify the information. This includes vinyl, cassette and CD singles, depending on the original year of release. I know there are some instances (mainly during the 1990s and 2000s) when only a 12" vinyl single was released. In some of those cases (when all the cuts are extended dance mixes), we actually went with the promo CD single times, so we do refer to them on occasion. We also use those times if a song was ONLY available as a longer LP cut. That's the Record Research policy. For my own personal collection, I just about always prefer the radio edits as I've been an avid radio listener for most of my life. Both Aaron and Ron can testify to that, as they've graciously supplied me with several of them over the years. I think Pat does a wonderful job in noting those in his database. I know much of that info came right from the members of this site. BTW, I believe the commercial single for "Sledgehammer" runs (5:00) and I do recall many stations (including the one I worked for at the time) playing that full version. Edited by Paul Haney |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 42 |
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Sorry Paul you are right, it is 5 minutes not 6. Still the 4:02 radio edit to this day is the only one played by radio due to its extensive popularity (and unavailability on a CD release).
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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I agree that the (4:02) radio edit is about all that seems to get aired today. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 208 |
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I disagree. Who plays the 4:02 edit these days? For one, it cannot be replicated by using the LP version. Two, it's never been on CD, ever. My local Jack FM station plays a lousy attempt at creating the 4:02 version, which is taken from a TM Century GoldDisc.
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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The only version that the oldies station here in Milwaukee plays is a shorter version. Not sure if it's the "true" shorter version or the version from the TM Century library. It sounds okay to my ears, but I'm not sure what differences I should be listening for??? It doesn't jump out at me like that awful version of "Let's Go Crazy" by Prince that edits out the guitar solo at the end and changes the intro too (which is the only version that particular station plays anymore). Edited by Paul Haney |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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That one puzzled me even back in 1984. I get that they may have wanted to shorten it for the single (I don't think that was a radio-only edit) but the double-tracking where Prince is talking over himself just sounds weird. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Actually, I'm speaking of a new edit that I've been hearing recently that's just a shortened version of the album intro. I quite liked what they did in 1984 with the single version intro. |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 208 |
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TM Century crossfaded the intro into the first verse, and it's very obvious sounding. You can hear the intro fade out while the music before the "steam train" line fades in. The promo single remixed this part from the multi-tracks, so it's not possible to create using the LP version. |
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Thanks, Aaron! I'll have to listen closer next time it comes on. |
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