Van Morrison - Domino

Reviving again, the edit seems simple, but is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions?

eriejwg wrote: eriejwg wrote: Is there echo present on the 45 (as Paul eluded to), that's not present on the LP versions? Ordered the 45 today, guess I'll have to find out for myself. Thanks all!

Any final conclusion on this
one?

eriejwg wrote: My 45 is mono

Mono? Very interesting, John; I've never been previously aware of any stock Warner Brothers 7434 "Domino" being in mono before. Is yours on the olive green Warner Brothers label?

My Columbia Terre Haute-pressed stereo stock's deadwax is all hand-etched: "#S-7434   N-51901-S-2   10-6- 70"   and opposite that, what appears to be a "1" with a circle around it and "TI". Stated and actual times are 3:02.

OK

I've compared the LP version, the stock 45 and the mono
promo 45 versions. Stock and promo 45's run (3:01).
Thanks to Jim for assistance with this.

To address the different times of the CD's with the LP
version, it's caused by speed differences. Seems the
correct speed LP runs (3:06). The one of the "Best Of" CD
that runs (3:03) is pitched too fast.

The 45 version runs slower than the LP version and as
indicated above is a complete remix. There is extra
reverb on most of the instruments and his lead vocal. The
45 mix features one clearly defined drum track. But the
LP mix has 2 drum tracks and starting on the 2nd verse,
the 2 are very noticeably out-of-sync (like the 2nd
drummer just stopped trying to be accurate and started
hitting them any ol' way) ... this makes a distracting
"clumping" effect. I heard the song this way all my life
and it never bothered me until I now heard the single.
I'm glad they thought better of that when mixing the 45.

Also as noted earlier, the 45 is edited in the final
chorus.

BTW, when I synchronized the 45 and LP mixes, I noticed
one other detail; both 45 AND LP mixes contain a splice
just prior to the above mentioned edit point. At 2:38 in
the LP (2:39 of the 45) on the beat that follows "rhythm
and blues music" you hear the tail end of a word that got
cut off. The only reason I noticed at all is that the
splice point in both versions don't line up which makes
the cut obvious. In fact, in the LP version it's a much
sloppier edit. It never stood out before because the
"clumping" mess of drum beats.

RE: Mono Promo 45: this was very interesting. The mono
mix is indeed an exact fold-down of the stereo 45 mix.
What made it interesting is the engineer(s)used a slight
phase effect on the horns in the stereo 45 mix that you
can't hear in stereo, BUT in mono the horns have a flange
effect that really stands out. This the ONLY element of
the mix that flanges in mono..all other elements are in-
phase and sound normal. This had to be intentional
because it would take some effort to create a variable
flange effect that way. Had it been a simply phase error
on the horn track they would simply cancel to a lower
volume in the mono. Comparing the mono promo dub to my
own fold-down, the effect is identical.
So I can only assume they wanted the song to sound that
way on AM radio. Yet anyone who purchased the single and
played it on a stereo set would never hear this effect.

So there you have it ..
-45 = slowest pitch, total remix (far superior to my
ears).....
-LP version timing differences in the DB caused by speed.
-Mono mix same as stereo 45 but with phased/flanged
horns.

MM