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Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

There's one more edit that's out
there on CD. A version running 4:27 (including
outro silence so it's a second or two shorter than 4:27)
turns up on EMI UK's 2-CD Now 1983 (1993) and on
Madacy's Rock On 1983 Vol. 2 (2005). I don't have
specific edit points handy, but I noted to myself that
there's an additional edit at the end of the song,
compared with the 4:43 version. I suspect that this may
be the UK single version, but can't confirm.


Turns out you can't reproduce this odd edit from the
promo 45 version. You can reproduce the major edit by
removing the 20 beats from 3:53.5 and 4:12.1, but you
still need to use a portion of the ending of the
commercial 45.

Based on my experience with the 1993 2-CD Now
sets, I'd guess that it was a custom edit just for this
set, so they could cram 20 tracks on a single CD. I've
seen many, many slightly early fades on these discs, and
a rather drastic custom edit ("Against All Odds").

Still, these discs have superb sound. If you can live
with a few seconds shaved off the end of many songs (and
I know many of us can't), I still highly recommend them.

By the way, this version also turns up on The A-List
Disc 15
(1994). I'd guess that it also appears on
some TM Century disc as well.
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Can anyone help me sort out my confusion?

Upon listening to the various versions of "Total Eclipse...", I seem to determine the following:

The (longer) single version *cannot* be edited from the full-length US album version (unique audio 2/3 way in).

The (shorter) promo single version *can* be edited from the (longer) single version.

The 'Now 1983' version *can only* be edited from having *both* the album version and (either of) the single versions.

Strange.

Can anyone correct me, or otherwise help me wrap my head around this?

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Really? There's another part of "Total Eclipse" that isn't on the long "7 minutes plus" album version? How long is it?

On another Jim Steinman penned song, Celine Dion's "It's All Coming Back to Me Now", it's a similar situation, though not for a promo versio - IIRC, it was the main 45 version. There's a unique, approximately 4-second piece of a ringing echo that can't be found in the album version. Steinman produced by these records - maybe he had a similar idea for this promo version of "Total Eclipse". I'm guessing, in both cases, it wasn't being done for the sake of adding 4 seconds of art, but rather, the edits would have sounded awkward if they didn't have these additional pieces.
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To EdisonLite:

The section is right after the bombastic instrumental organ/synthesizer break. It's actually a few measures of mixing differences that are unique audio. It's hard to explain; you can't just do out-of-sequence edits and make it sound right (organ/synthesizer under vocals would go up & down).

You're right, it's a mix difference to facilitate editing.

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It's easy to create the promo 45 version (4:43) from the commercial 45 version (5:31):

Using the timing from Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1983 (1992), delete 0:46.8 to 1:27.3 (on the word "every"), then fade early from 4:40 to 4:44.

You can't create the Now 1983 edit (4:27) from the commercial 45 version (5:31). At the end of the song, in the slow portion, you'll need to grab the "total eclipse of the hear-ar-art" from the LP version. (The one where the word "heart" has three descending notes.) That repetition was cut out of the commercial 45.

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