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    Posted: 01 June 2017 at 8:29pm
The 45 is the same as the LP version. Both run 4:17. The acoustic guitar starting at 0:05 is panned to the left.

The oldest CD I have with "You're So Vain" is Elektra's Carly Simon Best Of (copyright 1975, my copy has RE-1 in the matrix number). It sounds OK. No noise reduction, reasonable EQ, nice dynamic range, but likely not the lowest-generation source tape. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 3 High Times (1991) - about 6 dB louder and clips a bit; avoid
  • JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994)
  • Cema's 2-CD Bell Bottom Rock (1996) - digitally exactly 0.136 dB quieter
  • Razor & Tie's 7-CD 70 Number One Hits Of The 70s Vol. 5 (1998)
There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 25 Seventies Generation (1992). It sounds comparable to Best Of, and probably doesn't use the lowest-generation source tape. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Razor & Tie's 2-CD Super '70s (1995)
Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 13 1973 (1992), which is identical to Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 3 1973 (1992) in every way, also uses the same analog transfer as Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 25 Seventies Generation, but swaps the left and right channels so that the acoustic guitar starting at 0:05 is panned to the right. The following discs use the same analog transfer as Superhits/AM Gold, and all also have the left/right channels swapped:
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 1 1972-1973 (2000) - digitally exactly 2.5 dB louder
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 1 Sunshine (2005) - digitally exactly 2.5 dB louder
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 2 Ride Like The Wind (2006) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
  • Reader's Digest's 4-CD Time In A Bottle (2006)
And then, towering above everything I listed above, is Rhino's Billboard Top Soft Rock Hits 1973 (1997). This disc likely uses a lower-generation source tape than all of the above, and as a result, sounds much more lively than those discs.

I don't have any of the other Carly Simon collections, so I can't comment on them one way or another.

Among my rather limited collection of discs, I'd recommend Rhino's Billboard Top Soft Rock Hits 1973 (1997).
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I wonder if Top Soft Rock Hits uses the same transfer as the excellent CLOUDS IN MY COFFEE 3-CD box set that Ted Jensen mastered (the liner notes for the box have a little blurb about how record company tape libraries and private collections were scoured for the best possible sources). Ted Jensen is one of my personal favorite mastering engineers and that box set is pretty much the best any of Carly's tunes will sound, IMHO.

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Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

The 45 is the same as the LP version. Both run 4:17. The acoustic guitar starting at 0:05 is panned to the left.



The oldest CD I have with "You're So Vain" is Elektra's Carly Simon Best Of (copyright 1975, my copy has RE-1 in the matrix number). It sounds OK. No noise reduction, reasonable EQ, nice dynamic range, but likely not the lowest-generation source tape. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 3 High Times (1991) - about 6 dB louder and clips a bit; avoid
  • JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994)
  • Cema's 2-CD Bell Bottom Rock (1996) - digitally exactly 0.136 dB quieter
  • Razor & Tie's 7-CD 70 Number One Hits Of The 70s Vol. 5 (1998)
There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 25 Seventies Generation (1992). It sounds comparable to Best Of, and probably doesn't use the lowest-generation source tape. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Razor & Tie's 2-CD Super '70s (1995)
Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 13 1973 (1992), which is identical to Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 3 1973 (1992) in every way, also uses the same analog transfer as Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 25 Seventies Generation, but swaps the left and right channels so that the acoustic guitar starting at 0:05 is panned to the right. The following discs use the same analog transfer as Superhits/AM Gold, and all also have the left/right channels swapped:
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 1 1972-1973 (2000) - digitally exactly 2.5 dB louder
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Seventies Music Explosion Vol. 1 Sunshine (2005) - digitally exactly 2.5 dB louder
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 2 Ride Like The Wind (2006) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
  • Reader's Digest's 4-CD Time In A Bottle (2006)
And then, towering above everything I listed above, is Rhino's Billboard Top Soft Rock Hits 1973 (1997). This disc likely uses a lower-generation source tape than all of the above, and as a result, sounds much more lively than those discs.



I don't have any of the other Carly Simon collections, so I can't comment on them one way or another.



Among my rather limited collection of discs, I'd recommend Rhino's Billboard Top Soft Rock Hits 1973 (1997).
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I listened to the version from Clouds In My Coffee. It's better than the common compilations that I listed, but I still prefer the Rhino disc. Clouds is mastered a bit too loud and clips a bit.

The EQ on the Rhino disc has *WAY* more high end than the common compilations. (I realize now that there be too much high end for some ears.) The EQ brightness on Clouds is somewhere between the common compilations and the Rhino disc.

Clouds sounds quite good, to be sure. I'm a fan of Ted Jensen from his late '80s work at Atlantic, including the Aretha Franklin Queen Of Soul box. Great source tapes, all mastered without severe processing or extra noise reduction.
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