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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LunarLaugh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2021 at 1:59am
Originally posted by Indy500 Indy500 wrote:

Raise your hand if you've ever spent an
entire day reconstructing the Frankenstein that is
Chicago's "Beginnings"?

Part of my 1970-1971 45s project.

Not an entire day, but I did manage to re-create the edit
in about an hour but I was pretty well versed in editing
software by the time I got around to that one. I used the
LP mix on the old Chicago Greatest Hits CD as my source
(the remastered CDs from Rhino and the remixes the band
has put out just didn't sound too good).
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I just ran across this thread and really enjoy reading about the various projects.  My current project started around 2003 when I got my first iPod and downloaded iTunes. I started to develop a "Portable Library" given the limited storage available on those early devices.  I had less than a thousand 128 kbps mp3 tracks but used the iPod constantly for travel, workouts, parties, etc.  I eventually upgraded to newer generation iPods with more memory, added more tracks, and re-ripped to 320 kbps mp3s. 

About 6-7 years ago I decided to re-rip my Portable Library once again to go lossless (FLAC), move to MusicBee, and find the best sounding (to my ears) versions of the tracks that I could.  Like most of you, I'm looking for tracks that are as close to the original release as possible.  During this ongoing quest, I became aware of this site and the great work that you all have done.  It has been very helpful.  In fact, I'm currently comparing my tracks to Ron's Hot 100 Library.

In addition to finding good quality tracks, I'm updating track metadata to document the pedigree of each track (rip source, original release information, mono/stereo, etc.) and for smart playlist generation.  I'm a big playlist listener.  I use metadata such as year, genre, sub-genre, and mood to generate most of my playlists.

I've also started updating the album art for each track.  I'm trying to collect the original release versions of the album art/picture sleeve/45 label.  There are some wonderful album art sites out there, but I find that many of them are not of the original release and/or have been cropped.  To me, cropping the artwork is the same as shortening a song.  So, I've taught myself photo editing to correct these images. I've been pretty happy with the results so far.

Finally, I started embedding lyrics into the track files.  While it sounded like a cool idea at the time, it has become a real pain.  The vast majority of on-line lyrics are just wrong.  Everything from misspellings, to missing words, to missing or out of order sections. It took me over 5 years to develop the correct lyrics for my Portable Library. And now I'm starting to experiment with synchronized lyrics.

My Portable Library is still relatively small now, around 4,500 tracks, but it continues to grow. I mentioned on another thread that I think I should be done with this project in 2137.  


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Glad my library has been an inspiration!

For me personally, having lyrics in the tags has been the bane of my existence. When I search for title and/or artist, having those words in the lyrics gives a ton of false positives. As a result, I've deliberately deleted all the "lyrics" fields in all the files I've ever accumulated. It's just me; your mileage may vary! :)

When you're doing comparisons, here's a tip: listen carefully to the fades. I often make my selection based on sound quality in the fade (if the high end disappears, it's usually a symptom of added noise reduction). All other things being equal, I'll choose the file that has the longest tail on the fade.

Pro tip: If you're working in Audacity with multiple files open, you can select all (CTRL-A), then make the tracks all the same volume (with everything still selected, Effect > Volume And Compression > Loudness Normalization > Normalize perceived loudness to -16.0 LUFS, leave the stereo channels button unchecked, check the dual-mono button. The exact numerical value isn't really important, but -16.0 LUFS seems to work nicely.)

Your files will all be the same volume, which is perfect for an A/B test. If you want to trim the opening silence, select the first few seconds of all the tracks simultaneously, then Effect > Special > Truncate Silence, then I made up some numerical values that seem to work well enough: threshold -40 dB, duration 0.1 seconds, Truncated Detected Silence, truncate to 0.01 seconds, check the truncate tracks independently button).

If you want to focus on the fades, select the last few seconds of the song (after the fade has started), and repeat the Loudness Normalization steps from above, using the same settings and numerical values. You can repeat this as often as you like until you're left with dithering noise.

Have fun!

And if you *really* want to get into the weeds, rename the tracks before you import them, so that the filename starts with the copyright date, then includes the album name, and (optionally) artist and title afterward. That puts everything in chronological order by release date, from top to bottom on the screen.

Edited by crapfromthepast - 12 hours 12 minutes ago at 7:36pm
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Thanks for the comparison tips.  Greatly appreciated!  

I do use Audacity, but mostly for editing and some analysis.  But I like your idea of using it to isolate the fade, normalize it, and then listen from there.  My A/B comparisons are currently done on my DAP with headphones using ReplayGain to normalize.  It's a little awkward sometimes to A/B between tracks.  Using Audacity to isolate the fade will certainly help a lot.

Brad


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BJhami75 --

My Hot 100 project that I am working on encompasses three different areas. I call it the jukebox project. Basically matching Whitburn's annual listings of each year as well as Classic Hits of each year. Edtop40 inspired me, where he stopped at the Top 40 I kept going past it all the way down to position 100.

1940-1959 The goal is to have an accurate assembly. This era is full of incorrect versions, re-recordings etc and low quality usenet stuff. It is also largely ignored unless your name is Glenn Miller or the Andrews Sisters or you like the arrival of Elvis Presley and Rock N Roll.

1960-1974 The "mono" era I like to call it merging into the stereo era. This is by far the hardest era of the Hot 100 because of the 700 plus hits each year in the 60's and the mono 45's being harder to come by the lower you go digitally. Probably will take many years to finish it accurately at high quality.

1975-2024 Taken me about 5-6 years now but have an accurate assembly of the 1975-2024 Hot 100 era minus a few promos in 1975 and 1976 that have to be ordered. The 2005-2009 era had Itunes hits only and were most challenging to find. The CD area was easier because well it made CD so it was already digital.

Hopefully one day I can be done and rest lol. A lot of people on this board have made it possible to get this far...

Edited by PopArchivist - 7 hours 27 minutes ago at 12:21am
Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD."
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