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Posted: 27 August 2008 at 6:34pm

Database subscribers will also see some entries running 4:21 etc.

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Posted: 20 November 2008 at 10:23am

my commercial 45 issued as capitol 5345 states on the label "the dance mix-edited" version with a listed run time of 4:25 but actually runs 4:28......i listened to the 45 next to the "decade" cd version and i don't hear any pitch difference at all.....the differences are that the cd version starts the fade in later and fades out earlier than the 45 version......this accounts for the time differential...i've sent an mp3 of the actual vinyl 45 to some editing experents on the board to see if the missing intro and outro can be pasted on to the 45 version from the full length remix version......also, it should be noted that the 45 came, not with a standard picture sleeve, but a 6 way folded poster!!!

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Posted: 15 February 2009 at 10:28am

aaron was kind enough to lengthen the 4:23 version by adding on the last 0:04 or so from the extended dance mix version and effectively re-created the true 45....thanks aaron....

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Posted: 20 November 2024 at 1:13am

I ran across a compilation on which the single version has what is apparently a reconstructed intro in which they got an edit point slightly wrong. During the fade-in, after the first vocal "ta na na na", there is an extra 25 milliseconds of sound between the cowbell triplets. That is, you hear 3 high cowbells in quick succession, then 3 low cowbells, and the distance between the 3rd high and 1st low is about 265ms on this comp, whereas everywhere else it's about 240ms. It's nothing you'd ever hear, but the visual shift is obvious when zoomed in with an audio editor.

All other copies I have of this version, and the 12" Dance Mix it's edited from, have the correct 240ms timing.

The compilation is Casey Kasem Presents America's Top Ten Hits - 1980s: New Wave's Greatest Hits.

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Posted: 1 hour 35 minutes ago at 8:09am

Just answering some old questions:

On the 12", the Dance Mix does change speed, same as the 45.

The beginning and end of the Dance Mix are the same as the 45, just with some parts cut out. However, if I'm not mistaken, the middle section of the 45 (1:00 to about 3:10 or so) is unique and cannot be reconstructed from the Dance Mix.

The first sound during the fade-in is a rising "ta-na-na-na", although the initial "t" sound isn't really audible even with the volume cranked. Many CD releases start fading in during the first set of cowbell triplets which follow this, but some do have the whole thing.

The fadeout at the end finishes after "…treasure in the dark, and watching over lucky clover, isn't—". You can also hear some kind of unintended sound, maybe from a synth, right after "watching". All the CD releases of the single version apparently fade out sooner, usually during "…treasure in the dark".

Using the Dance Mix to preserve the whole fadeout sounds reasonable to me, although with that mistake in the music, I can understand why on all the reissues they went to silence sooner.

Edited by mjb50 - 1 hour 34 minutes ago at 8:10am

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	my commercial 45 issued as capitol 5345 states on the label "the dance mix-edited" version with a listed run time of 4:25 but actually runs 4:28......i listened to the 45 next to the "decade" cd version and i don't hear any pitch difference at all.....the differences are that the cd version starts the fade in later and fades out earlier than the 45 version......this accounts for the time differential...i've sent an mp3 of the actual vinyl 45 to some editing experents on the board to see if the missing intro and outro can be pasted on to the 45 version from the full length remix version......also, it should be noted that the 45 came, not with a standard picture sleeve, but a 6 way folded poster!!! Edited by edtop40
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edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 16	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 February 2009 at 10:28am
	aaron was kind enough to lengthen the 4:23 version by adding on the last 0:04 or so from the extended dance mix version and effectively re-created the true 45....thanks aaron....
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mjb50 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjb50 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 November 2024 at 1:13am
	I ran across a compilation on which the single version has what is apparently a reconstructed intro in which they got an edit point slightly wrong. During the fade-in, after the first vocal "ta na na na", there is an extra 25 milliseconds of sound between the cowbell triplets. That is, you hear 3 high cowbells in quick succession, then 3 low cowbells, and the distance between the 3rd high and 1st low is about 265ms on this comp, whereas everywhere else it's about 240ms. It's nothing you'd ever hear, but the visual shift is obvious when zoomed in with an audio editor. All other copies I have of this version, and the 12" Dance Mix it's edited from, have the correct 240ms timing. The compilation is Casey Kasem Presents America's Top Ten Hits - 1980s: New Wave's Greatest Hits.

mjb50 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote mjb50 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 1 hour 35 minutes ago at 8:09am
	Just answering some old questions: On the 12", the Dance Mix does change speed, same as the 45. The beginning and end of the Dance Mix are the same as the 45, just with some parts cut out. However, if I'm not mistaken, the middle section of the 45 (1:00 to about 3:10 or so) is unique and cannot be reconstructed from the Dance Mix. The first sound during the fade-in is a rising "ta-na-na-na", although the initial "t" sound isn't really audible even with the volume cranked. Many CD releases start fading in during the first set of cowbell triplets which follow this, but some do have the whole thing. The fadeout at the end finishes after "…treasure in the dark, and watching over lucky clover, isn't—". You can also hear some kind of unintended sound, maybe from a synth, right after "watching". All the CD releases of the single version apparently fade out sooner, usually during "…treasure in the dark". Using the Dance Mix to preserve the whole fadeout sounds reasonable to me, although with that mistake in the music, I can understand why on all the reissues they went to silence sooner. Edited by mjb50 - 1 hour 34 minutes ago at 8:10am