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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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my commercial 45 issued as elektra 45203 which contains the
edited version running 3:34; listed 3:29 has 'EX45203 A-SP' etched in one area, and 'ESR-TD-9-9-74' etched in another |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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ed kindly sent me a dub of his short 45, and I have the following to report:
The version on Time-Life AM Gold does not match the 45 (can't comment on the other similar length versions...). The actual edited part is fine, however the short 45 begins to fade at about 3:26, ending by 3:34 (cutting off the tail end of the cold ending fadeout). The AM Gold version runs 3:37 and does not fade the same as the short 45, rather it fades like the long 45 (cold ending fade). I know 3 seconds is our usual limit for indicating different versions, however the fade being present on the short 45 but not on the AM Gold version to me disqualifies it from being considered the short 45. Other similarly labelled versions should also be checked. I wonder if the Rhino digital 45 (discussed above), running 3:32, is an attempt at getting the short 45 fade (but it is 0:02 short). Edited by davidclark |
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Smokin' TomGary ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 June 2011 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Promo 45 E-45203-A has a listed and actual time of 3:44. Mono one side, stereo the other. Deadwax on the stereo side is ES-45203 A SP/ESR-TD 8-7-74. Deadwax on the mono side is EM-45203 A SP/ESR-TD 8-7-74.
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 19 |
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So all promos are 3:44, but some commercial copies are ~:10
shorter? What was edited? |
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Smokin' TomGary ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 June 2011 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I worked for an FM station that converted to Hot AC from Beautiful. We played vinyl because stereo carts didn't hold phase very well. We had issues with cue burn. The Music Director complained to the Columbia rep. My office was next to the MD's office and overheard the discussion. The MD showed the rep two different pressings of the same song. One was hard vinyl, the other was softer polystyrene which did not cue burn as easily. The rep called his boss who insisted there was no difference between the two. At that point I entered the discussion and told the rep to give his boss the deadwax info. It turns out the better pressings were made at a North Carolina plant. We were put on the mailing list for that plant so our on-air quality improved at least for Columbia 45's. While colored vinyl may look cool it is made from recycled materials and has poor quality sound. |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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That's interesting, Tom. My experiences were the exact opposite: styrene cue-burned far, far more easily than vinyl. I've never noticed much of a difference between standard black and colored vinyl 45s, especially if they were pressed by Columbia's Santa Maria plant. Those were just as quiet as their black vinyl counterparts from that same plant. Ditto for the 45s pressed by Specialty in Olyphant, such as the gold vinyl "Roundabout" DJ 45. Getting back to what Steve said upthread, there was a time when Specialty had some quality control issues with their 45s during the early '70s. Either the temperatures weren't quite right during the pressing cycles or there were non-fill issues, but occasionally some of the Specialty vinyl 45s, promo or stock, would be uncharacteristically noisy. You could usually see where the vinyl looked a bit lighter as the record spun around, with an accompanying swishy or crackly sound as the stylus passed that area with each revolution. This would have been from about 1971 to 1974. These problem pressings were definitely the exception, rather than the rule, as far as Specialty-pressed 45s. When that manufacturer switched to thinner title and artist fonts and thinner vinyl in 1975, the quality control improved as well. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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The song turns up on a handful of common compilations, and they're definitely a mixed bag.
LP and long 45 version (3:45) The compilation to feature the LP version is Razor & Tie's 2-CD The '70s Preservation Society Presents Easy '70s (1993). It's definitely not the lowest-generation tape source (sounds a little warbly when summed to mono), and it cuts off the attack of the opening note. On the plus side, there's no noise reduction, it has a reasonable EQ, and has a great dynamic range. I have two CDs that use the same analog transfer as Easy '70s and have the same issues as Easy '70s:
Short 45 version (3:34) The short 45 version edits out eight beats from 2:21 to 2:27 of the LP version, starting two beats after the word "then", and (I think?) fading early? Not sure about the fade or the true 45 ending. I think the edited version first showed up on Rhino's Have A Nice Decade box (1998). I have the edited version on Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 29 #1 Hits Of The '70s '70-'74 (2000), and I'd bet that it's a digital clone of Have A Nice Decade. The version here sounds great, and is definitely from a lower-generation tape source than everything listed above. This version ends with the same last note as the LP version, but shortens the very tail of the fade by a few seconds. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Now that you're working on 1974, Ron, were you ever able to figure out how the end of the song on the short 45 was handled?
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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No - I haven't run across any new versions of the song since my post last year.
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There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
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