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Pat, while there may still be unresolved mix issues within the (3:11) to (3:18) database CD versions, I just noticed that there is currently no notation at all in the database for this song. At this point, we do at least know that the listed 45 time is (2:56), and the actual time is (2:55), as stated in my original post. This fact should probably already be noted in the database, since current CD versions, regardless of "mix issues", all run between :16 to :23 seconds longer than the 45 does.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2008 at 1:21pm
Can anyone point out the beginning time of the fade and ending time to properly recreate the 45 length?
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Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Can anyone point out the beginning time of the fade and ending time to properly recreate the 45 length?


John, the stereo side of the DJ 45 is slightly faster-pitched and runs slightly longer (2:59) than the mono side (2:57). The fadeout starts a bit later on the stereo side. Towards the end of the fade, the mono side is running about .431 seconds behind the same spot musically on the stereo side.

I have a Specialty pressing in addition to the Plastic Products pressing pictured below. The respective stereo and mono stampers used on both pressings are identical. Matrix numbers are ST-AS-23955-1 (stereo) and AS-23955-1 (mono.)

Fade times for the promo 45:
Mono:   2:43.874 to 2:57.300
Stereo: 2:47.740 to 2:59.350




And although it was touched upon in another old thread, "Rock Me On The Water", the follow-up single to "Doctor My Eyes" was a substantially different take than the album version from Saturate Before Using.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2008 at 7:33pm
Wonderful detailed info as always, John.

Interesting that on the label David Crosby and Graham Nash had an assist on this track, yet as the the last 36 years have passed by, bet ya no one would have any idea, including me, that they took part.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eriejwg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2008 at 7:39pm
This is a more common label I've seen online...

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Thanks for posting that scan, John. I never bought the stock 45, and had no idea that David and Graham got the brush-off!

Perhaps Asylum believed that name-dropping Crosby & Nash on the promo label might help to break both the single and the artist. If so, it worked!
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There is a pretty good sounding dub of the stereo side of the promo 45 on YouTube. I compared it to the (3:13) Time Life version, and here are my observations:

- The mixes sound almost identical, except the lead guitar is panned slightly to the left on the CD version. It's dead center on the stereo promo 45.

- The shorter run time of the stereo promo 45 is due to an early fade of the LP length.

I guess that means there really are FOUR mixes of the song!

1. mono 45 mix (sounds like a fold-down of the stereo LP mix to my ears)
2. stereo promo 45 mix (lead guitar centered)
3. stereo LP mix (lead guitar panned left)
4. stereo "remix" (issued years later on CD)

By the way, I noticed that the YouTube CD dubs running 3:18 also appear to be remixed. That makes me wonder if the two database CDs that run this length (Next Voice You Hear and Very Best Of) are also remixes. The easiest way to spot this version is right at the start. The original version has two lone bongo beats before the kick drum comes in. The remix has the kick drum along with the bongos right from the beginning.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 February 2013 at 8:15am
My only copy of this is on an Asylum "Spun Gold" reissue,
and it appears to be the stereo LP version. Listed time
3:11, actual 3:13.
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I also should clarify that I do not own the actual vinyl LP to check the mix. What I'm calling "stereo LP mix" is the Time Life copy on "Gold & Platinum," which contains no comment next to it in the database.
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Pat and David (and anyone else who can chime in):

Can you guys please check your copy of Jackson Browne's Saturate Before Using and report back if you see an "RE-2" etched among the matrix numbers printed along the center hub of the CD itself? If so, then it's a remastered disc. If not, then it's an original pressing. This may go a long way in helping explain if one pressing contains the original hit mix of "Doctor My Eyes" while the other has a remix.

I've brought up in other threads that the first six Jackson Browne LP releases on the Asylum label were first issued on CD in the '80s and then later remastered in the late '90s. Since both pressings of each CD album appear identical on the outside, the only way to tell the difference between an opened copy of either pressing is by looking at the hub of the CD itself and seeing if the matrix numbers contain "RE-2" among them.

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