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    Posted: 15 November 2007 at 2:31pm
My 45 of John Fred & His Playboy Band - "Judy In Disguise (With Glasses)", Paula 282, states a run time of 2:47 but actually runs 2:52 and matches most of the run times listed in the db
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Anyone ever hear a fantastic sounding stereo version with great separation for this song? I know I haven't. Maybe on an import somewhere?
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Originally posted by PopArchivist PopArchivist wrote:

Anyone ever hear a fantastic sounding
stereo version with great separation for this song? I know
I haven't. Maybe on an import somewhere?

A wider, better sounding mix does exist, but I can't
remember what CD (import?) I got it from. I'll let you
listen to my mp3 of it.

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I used to have an mp3 that was supposedly at
least partially an alternate take and was
wide stereo, but I lost it several computer
crashes ago and never found it again since.
Live in stereo.
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It sounds pretty good to me on ACE's "Chartbusters USA Vol.
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Originally posted by PopArchivist PopArchivist wrote:

Anyone ever hear a fantastic sounding stereo version with great separation for this song? I know I haven't. Maybe on an import
somewhere?


Somewhere I once read an analysis of the stereo on this song, and it stated that the hit version doesn't exist completely in stereo. The hit version
was supposedly pieced together from several takes, some of which only existed in mono.
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I don't think the "very poor stereo separation" description in the database is warranted. While the main part of the song is indeed what sounds like mono with some stereo reverb added, the instrumental break, most of the background vocals, and sitar ending are in full stereo with good separation.

But it definitely sounds like it was pieced together from multiple recordings, especially at 2:10 when the background vocals abruptly switch from stereo to mono.
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Just FYI - I checked this some years ago, the mono 45
matches exactly a fold-down of the original (more common)
stereo mix. Everything matches exactly, including the
reverb.
I just re-checked to confirm it.

So fold down that mix and you have the mono 45 mix.

The alternate mix does not match the 45 but is an
interesting alternate way to hear the multi-tracks.

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Originally posted by VWestlife VWestlife wrote:

I don't think the "very poor stereo separation" description in the database is warranted.


I disagree. During the 60's much better separation exists in general and this song should be targeted by Eric Records it would be nice to have a stereo mix rather than a mono-poor stereo hyrbid of a mix.
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I know I'm not the one calling the shots, but IMO, notations like "very poor stereo separation" should describe faults with the source tape used or mastering of the CD, not a subjective judgement of the way the original recording was mixed. Especially not when about half the song actually is in full stereo, just like King Harvest's "Dancing in the Moonlight" which switches back and forth between narrow and full stereo.

And as noted above, a truly full stereo version of "Judy in Disguise" would be impossible to create without going back to the original session recordings and completely re-editing and remixing it from the several different takes that were pieced together to form the hit version of the song -- if those recordings still exist in usable condition somewhere.
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