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Originally posted by VWestlife VWestlife wrote:

But it definitely sounds
like it was pieced together from multiple
recordings, especially at 2:10 when the
background vocals abruptly switch from
stereo to mono.


I find it odd how some releases have the
second set of "come with me tonight" vocals
in mono and others have it in stereo, while
other releases still, have the ending in
mono while others are in stereo. I think it
was Mark who had put together a "full"
stereo version once. It sounded fine to me
and I'd love to see that one get released.
Live in stereo.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 March 2022 at 12:22pm
This is interesting.

I found two different permutations of stereo/mono on CD, and I think that they may correspond to the 45 (being a fold-down of one permutation) and LP (being the other permutation).

Here's a YouTube dub of the 45 (it's in mono) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEO1dt_FAI

The mastering that corresponds to the 45 (the only difference is that it's not entirely in mono) appeared first on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). The first "come to me tonight" vocals (1:07-1:17) are in wide stereo, with the high-pitched vocal being only in the left channel and the low-pitched vocal only in the right. There's a "yeah yeah" in the right channel at 1:18. The string portion (1:48-2:06) is in very nice stereo. The second "come to/with me tonight" vocals (2:07-2:17) are in wide stereo throughout. The ending (2:46 onward) is in mono. The same analog transfer is used on:
  • Warner Special Products' 2-CD Sessions Presents 60's Frat Rock (1990)
  • Warner Special Products' 2-CD 40 Party Classics (1996)
If I ever need to return to this again, I pitched the Classic Rock disc down by 0.13% to match the YouTube dub of the 45. They stay perfectly in synch with this one speed adjustment.

The mastering on Good Music's 2-CD Rare Gold (1990) sorta matches the Time-Life disc, but sounds like it uses a higher-generation source tape. Sounds pretty cruddy here; avoid.

Here's a YouTube dub what I believe to be the LP (you don't see the record on the turntable, but it's clearly from a record) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up7dcAilcvY

This version appears on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (1988 with a digitally identical clone on a RE-1 reissue from 1993). Part of the opening drumbeat is cut off in the right channel, for both the vinyl and CD versions. On the CD, there's a little static in the left channel from 0:04 to 0:06; there's no way to tell if that's on the record. The first "come to me tonight" vocals (1:07-1:17) are in wide stereo, with the low-pitched vocal being only in the left channel and the high-pitched vocal only in the right (left/right channels swapped from Classic Rock). The string portion (1:49-2:06) is in very nice stereo. The second "come to/with me tonight" vocals (2:08-2:18) have their first line in wide stereo and are mono thereafter. The ending (2:48 onward) is in stereo. There's a small amount of tape drag on the Rhino disc, but pitching it up by 2.5% will get you close to the YouTube clip. It doesn't stay in synch with the 45 YouTube clip, which makes me think it was edited from different source material pieces.

The first appearance of the (probable) LP version on CD was on Warner Special Products' 2-CD Fun Rock (1986). Here, it sounds spectacularly awful, using a lifeless-sounding source tape, and running significantly faster than the Rhino disc. Plus, it's in narrowed stereo, so that the low/high pitched "come to me tonight" vocals are mixed closer to the center. This CD is one of the first Warner Special Products compilations, well before they started using decent-sounding copies of the source material from the individual labels. Avoid.

The mastering on Rhino's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 1 (1997) uses a different analog transfer than the Billboard disc, but is pretty close sonically. The left/right channels are swapped (so that it now matches Classic Rock), there's no static from 0:04 to 0:06, and the volume is louder so there's a small amount of clipping on some of the loud portions.

Summing up:

(1) There seem to be only two permutations of mono/stereo/etc on CD.
(2) One permutation (which is likely a stereo version of the 45) is on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). There's a "yeah yeah" in the right channel at 1:18. This version stays in synch with the 45, with just one speed correction that affects the whole track.
(3) The other permutation (which matches a YouTube clip that is likely from the vinyl LP) is on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (both 1988 and 1993 versions). There's no "yeah yeah" at 1:18.

Other opinions are welcome!

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I would mention that the source on the Dick Bartley On The
Radio disc seems to have been mastered with some type of
de-noising. Not exactly the same as noise reduction, but
you can kind of hear it pumping in and out on the off-beat.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sriv94 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 April 2022 at 9:30am
Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

The other permutation (which matches a YouTube clip that is likely from the vinyl LP)
is on Rhino's Billboard Top Rock 'N' Roll Hits 1968 (both 1988 and 1993 versions). There's no "yeah
yeah" at 1:18.


Actually I do hear a faint "yeah" at (1:18) on the Billboard and Bartley discs.

Is this enough to warrant a 45/LP designation in the database?

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