"Kyrie" - Mr. Mister

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   I found a good example: Listen for a splashy percussion sound at the end of the phrase "mountain side" at around 0:46.  On the BB disc, it's really reverb-y.  On the Simitar disc, it's still there, but it lacks the reverb.

I'd like to figure out the source of the mastering for the Simitar disc.  Based on the playing time, I suspect that it's RCA's Nipper's #1 Hits 1956-1986.  I'll be happy to do comparisons if someone sends me a CD rip.

Nice catch on the drums bleeding into the vocals.  I wasn't sure what to make of it.  And it would be a little weird if Rhino, in 1994, couldn't get tapes for a common hit, from a big label, from just eight years earlier.

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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2019 at 11:48am
	I found a good example: Listen for a splashy percussion sound at the end of the phrase "mountain side" at around 0:46. On the BB disc, it's really reverb-y. On the Simitar disc, it's still there, but it lacks the reverb. I'd like to figure out the source of the mastering for the Simitar disc. Based on the playing time, I suspect that it's RCA's Nipper's #1 Hits 1956-1986. I'll be happy to do comparisons if someone sends me a CD rip. Nice catch on the drums bleeding into the vocals. I wasn't sure what to make of it. And it would be a little weird if Rhino, in 1994, couldn't get tapes for a common hit, from a big label, from just eight years earlier.
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2019 at 9:09pm
	Thanks to Aaron, I can confirm that the Simitar CD uses the same analog transfer as RCA's Nipper's #1 Hits 1956-1986 (1989). I'd also guess that any discs in the database with a run time of 4:27-4:29 are also the promo 12 inch single version, rather than the LP version. And the sounds in question on the 45 mix are thwacky synthy percussion sounds, a lot like the hard-to-describe sounds in the rhythm track in "Broken Wings". There's one that starts on the downbeat immediately following the end of the phrase "mountain side" around 0:46. On the 45, it starts in the left channel and echoes into the right channel. On the promo 12 inch single, it's dry (more of a thud) and entirely in the left channel. I think we have everything covered for this song for now. We'll revisit in another nine years!
	There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 31	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 August 2019 at 5:19am
	Does anyone out there have a dub of the A-list / TM Century version that I could hear? Thanks, Andy

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 August 2019 at 7:42am
	Andy, I think Ron may have already sent this to you, but I'm 100% positive this is a TM Century in-house job. They had the right idea but the wrong mix. My guess is that when they first issued it on GoldDisc, the Rhino disc had not yet come out, and someone tried to create the hit version by tacking the acapella ending onto the LP mix and didn't notice the mix difference nor get the edit point correct.
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eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 82	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 August 2019 at 9:39am
	Has anyone determined the reason for the :03 difference between the actual 45 and the 45 versions in the database?
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eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 82	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 August 2019 at 9:44am
	Does the 45 have the vocal echo at the end?
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 August 2019 at 10:51am
	The :03 difference is because the CD runs about 1% too slow. I'm not sure what you mean by "vocal echo," but the US stock 45 has the acapella vocal ending. There's no echo or trailing reverb on the vocal.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

garye Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 02 August 2017 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote garye Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 June 2020 at 8:15pm
	Revisting this for me! I have 2 dubs from the 45 and both have the cold vocal ending. When I heard this in 1985, this was the version I heard on radio with no fade out. I also assume the radio edit starts with the syth playing after the eerie vocal. Just want to make sure got it right.

PopArchivist Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 39	Post Options Post Reply Quote PopArchivist Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 June 2020 at 9:43pm
	The only version I heard was with no fade out on the radio edit and the cold vocal ending.
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promojunkie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 08 August 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote promojunkie Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 July 2021 at 7:35pm
	I wish the edited version would make it to cd. I've searched high and low for a decent promo 45 for the edited (3:38) version. After purchasing 2 45's that were hard to clean up due to pops and scratches, does anyone have a clean version they can send? I would be most appreciative. Edited by promojunkie
	Rick