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jrjr ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 December 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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just had a chance to check out the original 45 edit of "layla", clocking in at whopping 2:43... aside from the early fade and lack of piano coda, is there anything that distinguishes this from the 7:10 version??? thought i detected an edit in the intro, but besides that??? no chirping birds, for sure...
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Jrjr, you're right about an edit point at the start of the listed and actual (2:43) version. On that version, the vocal begins at :12; on the full-length version, however, vocals begin at :25. For "Top 40" purposes, however, "Layla" first charted Billboard in March 1971, on Atco 6809, only peaking at #51 (info courtesy Mr. Whitburn/Paul Haney!) ALL 1971 45s featured the short version. Just over a year later, it re-entered Billboard, again using the same stock #, Atco 6809. But all 1972 commercial 45 pressings I know of featured the full (7:10) version. So, technically, for Pat's database purposes, the "Top 40 hit version" is the (7:10) version, coda and all. I do have two promo 45s for this, however; one vinyl and one styrene. Both feature the (2:43) version only, with mono on one side, and stereo on the other. I am curious to know if anyone knows if a (7:10) "Layla" promo 45 exists? This is a similar situation to Aerosmith's "Dream On", which did not reach the Top 40 in its initial 1973 edited form, but later became a 1976 #6 hit in a "full length" re-release. The 1976 promo for this song DID contain the "old" short version on one side, and the long, full-length version on the other.
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jrjr ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 December 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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thanks for the info, jim... the promo 45 of "Layla" that i have has the short version on one side and the long version on the other, both mono, and both sides say "plug side"...
i wonder how many AM stations played the long version originally, because i imagine the FM stations were playing the song off the stereo LP anyway... |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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My listed (7:10) commercial 45 for this, which is mono, has an actual time of (7:02).
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sriv94 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 September 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Just for my own clarification, the (2:43) version features an edit somewhere in the opening (that trims about 13 seconds off the intro), and it also fades well before the piano exit. Correct?
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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There are two edits on the intro, one to make the solo guitar open just play once, not twice, following that instead of four bars there are two bars on the intro.
Couple of other notes on the short version: One copy I own is a DJ mono/stereo and was marked by the station as arriving in March of 1971. On that copy, the mono side is a faster pitch than the stereo side and the fade outs don't exactly match. The stereo side starts fading earlier but takes longer, the mono side, has a pretty fast dump which matches the short stock single. Mono runs 2:44 Stereo runs 2:45. I have another DJ copy which I believe might be a boot. It has the stereo short Layla on one side and a mono "I Am Yours" on the B side. But Layla fades up on the intro a bit, sounds compressed, and might be from another record (hard to tell as it's scratchy). "I Am Yours", while mono, is off a little to the left channel. Pretty suspicious to me. It also doesn't quite fit right on the 45 adapter, the hole seems slightly too small. Anyway that one matches the other stereo DJ side as mentioned above but runs slightly slower than that and to make up for that, fades out slightly sooner, though still clocking in at 2:45. |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Jim, the answer is yes. While the 1971 stereo/mono promos ran 2:43, the '72 promos were 7:10/2:43. My college station received redundant Atlantic singles service from both the Plastic Products and Specialty pressing plants. Pictured below are the 1972 mono/mono 7:10/2:43 DJ pressings from each plant. A second variation arrived from Specialty: a 7:10/2:43 blue-label stereo/stereo DJ 45 that became the control room copy. Both the '71 and '72 promos from Plastic Products have "PLUG SIDE" printed on both sides. Short version matrix numbers for both '71 and '72 promos are "71-C;" the '72 long versions are "72-C." The 1972 promos have either "short"/"long" or "short version"/"long version" notations. ![]() Bill, your second copy is most definitely a boot. I spotted it in the oldies 45s at the distributor I was working for in 1976. One of those boots is pictured on the left below; on the right is my college station's original 1971 on-air promo from Specialty. ![]() In addition to the red flag raised by the white label (legit ATCO promos carried no promo markings, either) the mastering is not typical of Atlantic releases. The font used on the "Layla" side of the boot was not in use by Specialty until later in 1971, whereas the font on the "I Am Yours" side of the boot matches that of the March, 1971 release. The pressing is not from Specialty: the vinyl quality is sub-par, matrix numbers are etched in an unfamiliar handwriting and the Specialty logo is not pressed into the wax. A true Specialty stereo DJ pressing of "Layla" bearing the 1972 font would appear on a baby blue label, not white; this boot appears to have been photocopied in b&w from the short side label. The booted 45's label has a matte finish; Specialty labels were always glossy. So why the boot? Atlantic's US license expired, and the Derek & The Dominos catalog reverted to Polydor, which reissued the Layla And Other Assorted Love Songs LP in the US, but not a "Layla" 45. The demand was there, but legitimate product was not. Polydor didn't issue a "Layla" 45 until the late '80s. By then, the master tapes had been found, and Polydor's full-length stereo reissue 45 sounded great. Edited by Yah Shure |
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Great stuff Yah Sure! I appreciate the detail!
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Hi,
After the Atco version was deleted, the label switched to RSO Records (Distributed by Atlantic Recording Corp.). The 45 RPM was likely available a short while on RSO. I remember owning a RSO US copy of "Layla" on 45. It was the short version in Mono. It's long gone. Just researched this, found a listing for RSO 861. Edited by KentT |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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KentT, welcome to the board!
RSO 861 was actually Eric Clapton's then-current "Hello Old Friend." There is no indication from my research that "Layla" was ever released in the 45 format on the RSO label. Between the time that the RSO imprint first appeared in 1973 to the last Atlantic-distributed 45 prior to the move to Polydor distribution, the release numbers ran from #400-410, then 501-519 (the last one being the Bee Gees' "Fanny.") During that time, there was only one Derek & The Dominos single released on RSO, and that was the label's very first 45, RSO 400. It was comprised of edits of the live versions of "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad" / "Presence Of The Lord" from the Derek & The Dominos In Concert LP (RSO 8800.) The first Polydor-distributed RSO 45 (#851) was a Paul Nicholas non-charter. Between #851 up through #1059, (Andy Gibb's "Time Is Time," by which time the RSO Top Line 45 reissue label had begun) only one RSO 45 was issued featuring back catalog material from the Atlantic-Atco era. RSO 873, "Can't Find My Way Home"/"Presence Of The Lord" was only available briefly in 1977 to help promote the reissue of the Blind Faith LP as a part of the RSO Collectors' Editions album series. The two songs had originally been proposed as a single on Atco in 1969, but no single was released at that time. ![]() RSO also issued a promo-only double-LP, Classic Cuts From RSO's Collectors' Editions (PRO-2-015) which included both "Can't Find My Way Home" and the original Derek & The Dominos' "Layla." But "Layla" never appeared as a single on RSO. There were no Derek & The Dominos recordings included in RSO's Top Line 8000-series of 45 reissues. "Layla" finally surfaced on Polydor's Timepieces 45 reissue series, which marked the first commercial appearance of the full-length track in stereo on 45. (Left: the original 1971 "Layla"/"I Am Yours" commercial issue. Right: Polydor Timepieces reissue. B-side is "Bell Bottom Blues.") ![]() Edited by Yah Shure |
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