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I get most of my new music from Promo Only....Does anyone know if
they use lossy files?
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Hi all,

This is really just an FYI, as i never usually enter
these kids of debates (and still don't plan to) but just
to add some info, as The Hits Man pointed out, there are
other reasons a source may *sound* lossy to a listener.

This does mean necessarily it was sourced from a
compressed medium.   Additionally, spectral analysis is
not the instant answer about a source.
There has been an extended discussion on the topic -
with input from other engineers as well - both on the
Hoffman boards and on BSN. I know a few folks here
frequent both of those boards. Check them out if you have
time.

A master tape source of limited freq. range recording can
be easily processed to read a false-positive on a
spectral screen.
Conversely, i know of several ways to take an good mp3
source and have it pass a spectral test easily to fool
it.

So, point is there is no special one-sized fits all
method to determining a lossy source. These results can
be inaccurate or misleading.
The best tool is still your ears.
MM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2012 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:


A master tape source of limited freq. range recording can
be easily processed to read a false-positive on a
spectral screen.
Conversely, i know of several ways to take an good mp3
source and have it pass a spectral test easily to fool
it.

So, point is there is no special one-sized fits all
method to determining a lossy source. These results can
be inaccurate or misleading.
The best tool is still your ears.
MM

I respect your opinion, Mark, but these are mostly tracks
where we have found lossless sources for the identical
songs and they look totally different under spectral
analysis than the apparent lossy sources. "Crank That,"
which I mentioned above, is one of those -- it is
lossless on the Souljaboytellem.com album, but on both
the promo and the import, if you zoom in closely enough
to the spectral waveform, you will see whole chunks of
data that have literally been cut out of the waveform,
like someone took a mini cookie cutter and cut thousands
of holes in it. Your explanation is possible, but it's
just as likely that the record companies don't care and
just send out whatever files, or lose track of which is
which. I also would argue against the "using your ears"
method, because very, very few tracks can be easily A/B'd
at 320kb, and anyone who tells me they can do it the
majority of the time has never done it in a blind
listening test, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Fetta Fetta wrote:

I get most of my new music from Promo
Only....Does anyone know if
they use lossy files?


I asked P.O. the same question after receiving a
particularly grungy-sounding track on a disc some years
back. They said they did not accept compressed files from
the labels, but sometimes it was out of their control,
i.e., if someone at the label submitted a WAV file that had
been converted from MP3.
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This should be something that allows for action to be taken against record labels. Because that means these lossy sources will be used for LPs and 12" singles too. And the labels aren't making a good case in trying stop downloads of MP3s. Why would I now buy a compact disc instead downloading an MP3?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2012 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Jody Thornton Jody Thornton wrote:

And the labels aren't making a good case in trying stop downloads of MP3s. Why would I now buy a compact disc instead downloading an MP3?


I very much get the impression that the labels want to get out of the CD business. Their costs remain the same whether a given song sells a million copies or 15, likewise no production bottlenecks in the event of a left-field hit. It doesn't seem that audio quality is a selling point these days...not many audiophiles left.

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Latest SoundScan stats: "CD sales represented 61% of all album sales through midyear, down from 66% at this time last year. Digital album sales accounted for 38% of all album purchases during the first half of the year."

At least for full-length albums, CDs are still outselling digital downloads (93 million units vs 57 million units, year-to-date). Year-to-date singles sales are at 698 million units.

When you think about the history of recorded music, though, a high quality mp3 far exceeds the sound quality that most consumers have had in years past. Vinly only sounds better than mp3 when you have expensive equipment and a copy that is in great condition. Cassettes have never sounded amazing, even when played on a good deck. Furthermore, most people can't tell the difference between an mp3 and a lossless CD.

That's not to excuse the carelessness of putting a lossy file on a factory-pressed CD, but as Brian points out, it's very, very difficult to hear a difference at 320kbps. Unless it was a glaring quality issue, the mastering engineer may not have noticed.
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I can hear the difference on Bill Doggett/Honky Tonk Pt 1 and Pt. 2. Why do you think I play my old 45 most of the time I want to hear it?
I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:


Vinly only sounds better than mp3 when you have expensive
equipment and a copy that is in great condition.


I take great issue with that.
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Originally posted by The Hits Man The Hits Man wrote:

I take great issue with that.

My 320kbps mp3s are WAY better sounding than any 45 I listened to as a
kid, which were all played back on a cheap turntable. I never had a great
sounding turntable until I invested $600+ as an adult. By contrast, I can
hook up a $40 iPod shuffle and play 320 mp3s on my nice stereo receiver,
and they sound excellent.
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