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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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My commercial 45 with a stated running time of (2:20) has a printed matrix number on the label of M-2345-BS-RE-1, indicating that this was the second pressing of the 45.
My dj copy states a running time of (5:20) with the same matrix number as pictured on the 45 above M-2345-BS. So there are indeed two different pressings of this commercial 45. |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23 |
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Pat:
The various artist compilation CD Reel Blockbusters (Hip-O 40167) is listed in the database, but nowhere is it indicated that "Star Wars (Main Title)" is available on this CD. According to www.allmusic.com, the song is shown as running 5:37 on the disc. Run times aren't always listed accurately on the website, so I'd like to ask... Does the Reel Blockbusters CD contain the long 45 version or a re-recorded version? |
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Todd, on the cd Reel Blockbusters, Star Wars Main title is neither the 45 nor LP version and it runs 5:35.
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163 |
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I'm a little confused by this statement. I was able to successfully create the short 45 version from the 5:18 version on "Instrumental Magic." I would presume this is the same as the 5:20 version on the O.S.T., no? I'm also puzzled by the above statment that says
Based on this info, I would conclude that the 45 is different from the LP, but there are no designators for 45/LP version in the database. |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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To everybody:
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this too. Could anybody post streams of both versions of the 45, even if from crackly vinyl? Andy |
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I think I figured out the confusion. When I posted that back in 2006 (! wow, how the time flies), I was using the 2 disc "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" CD as my source. I didn't realize at the time that this CD contained a remixed version of the soundtrack with some substantial differences from the original vinyl soundtrack LP. On this CD, the "Main Title" track runs 2:14 and therefore does not match the original 45 long version or soundtrack LP. This version appears on a few listings in the database as "neither 45 nor LP version". Using this CD as a source, I had to combine pieces of the remixed "Main Title" and "End Titles" tracks to match the original short 45, which was why I indicated such in my post from 2006. The "Main Title" track on the first CD release of the soundtrack and the 1993 Original Trilogy box set does indeed run 5:20 and matches the "long" 45 version. This is correctly listed in the database. The short 45 version can be recreated from this version by making several very awkward edits. I don't have the original vinyl soundtrack LP but my understanding is that the 1993 soundtrack CD and the original vinyl soundtrack both match the long 45 version (5:20 length). Bottom line: Avoid the 2004 remixed soundtrack CD if you are seeking the original LP/long 45 version. Edited by Roscoe |
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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Would someone mind posting the edit points to recreate the
short 45 version? |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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The best sound quality is on the 2018 CD released by Walt Disney Records. For authenticity, though, you'll want to start with a mid-'80s mastering. This way you get the same tape dropouts and dynamic range compression that were on the 1977 releases. I used Hear the Light vol. II (1984). They used the same source for the 1983 and 1986 double CD of the soundtrack, so these instructions will work for those releases as well. If using Audition, one of the Data preferences you can set is the amount of crossfade at the edit points. I recommend 8 milliseconds in order to approximate the angled tape splices. 1. speed up by 0.723% (Audition: interpret sample rate as 44419, then resample to 44100; Audacity: use Change Speed effect) [I verified the speed against 2 different rips] 2. trim leading silence; first real peak at -24 dB should be at 0.007 seconds 3. cut 0:07.430 to 0:48.840 4. from what remains, cut 0:49.341 to 1:30.316 (halfway in between the last two orchestra hits) 5. from what remains, cut 1:39.478 to 3:12.435 (halfway in between the short horn stab and the long one) Sorry I don't have the exact edit points for the 2018 remaster. As mentioned, the edits will sound abrupt, but that's how it is on the 45. Edited by mjb50 |
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mjb50 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 April 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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Incidentally, the B-side, "Cantina Band" comes in at least three versions, I've just noticed, and this doesn't seem to be documented anywhere:
The 1977 soundtrack album & single mix has added reverb, the steel drum is mixed very loud throughout, the lowest clarinet note in the right channel at 0:03 is almost inaudible, the synth bass from 1:13 to 1:57 is EQ'd to be plainly audible and remains especially clear at 1:45, and it fades out before the last bass synth notes can be heard. This version was released on the 1980s CDs as well. The mix on the 1993 Anthology edition is relatively dry, the steel drum is not as loud, the lowest clarinet note at 0:03 is plainly audible, the synth bass in the middle is EQ'd to be bassier and more in the background, and it ends cold with 3 bass synth notes (no fade at all). The 1997 Special Edition (on RCA/BMG), the 2004/2007/2015 Sony reissues thereof, and even the 2018 reissue of the original soundtrack album use the same version that was on the 1993 Anthology, but faded out to match the 1977 soundtrack version. The original film version is buried in reverb and dialogue, has almost no bass, and is chopped up (you never hear it in its entirety), but it basically is the same as the version released in 1993 thru 2018. Edited by mjb50 |
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