Melanie - Lay Down (Candles In The Rain)

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   I was highly suspicious about the CD version that runs :13 longer than the 45 and LP version, and so I did some comparisons between the copy on "Have A Nice Day" and a nice dub of the 45 on YouTube by WABCRADIO77.  The two sources are identical up until 3:26.  At this point, the CD version slows down slightly in pitch, and Melanie's vocals are slightly different.

- Starting at 3:28, Melanie's vocals sound double tracked in places on the CD, but they sound single-tracked on the 45.

- At 3:31, Melanie's vocals are different.  On the CD, you clearly hear her sing "let your white bird smile up."  On the 45 at this same point, she doesn't quite sing the words "white" and "smile" so you only hear the choir at this point.

- At 3:35/3:35, the CD version has Melanie singing "stand their ground ohhhhhh you gotta."  On the 45, there is no "you gotta" overlapping this section.

To my ears, it sounds like the CD version has her lead vocal doubled during this section, whereas it's only single-tracked on the 45.

Does anyone know if the actual 45 version is on CD?  I can tell you for sure the following CDs do NOT have the 45 version:

Have A Nice Day Vol. 3

AM Gold 1970 Vol. 2

Superhits - 1970

Seventies Smash Hits Vol. 2

Singers And Songwriters: 1970-1971

Woodstock Rock

Rock On 1970: In The Summertime

Only Rock & Roll 1970-1974

Freedom Rock

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Melanie - Lay Down (Candles In The Rain) Posted: 17 April 2015 at 10:28pm
	I was highly suspicious about the CD version that runs :13 longer than the 45 and LP version, and so I did some comparisons between the copy on "Have A Nice Day" and a nice dub of the 45 on YouTube by WABCRADIO77. The two sources are identical up until 3:26. At this point, the CD version slows down slightly in pitch, and Melanie's vocals are slightly different. - Starting at 3:28, Melanie's vocals sound double tracked in places on the CD, but they sound single-tracked on the 45. - At 3:31, Melanie's vocals are different. On the CD, you clearly hear her sing "let your white bird smile up." On the 45 at this same point, she doesn't quite sing the words "white" and "smile" so you only hear the choir at this point. - At 3:35/3:35, the CD version has Melanie singing "stand their ground ohhhhhh you gotta." On the 45, there is no "you gotta" overlapping this section. To my ears, it sounds like the CD version has her lead vocal doubled during this section, whereas it's only single-tracked on the 45. Does anyone know if the actual 45 version is on CD? I can tell you for sure the following CDs do NOT have the 45 version: Have A Nice Day Vol. 3 AM Gold 1970 Vol. 2 Superhits - 1970 Seventies Smash Hits Vol. 2 Singers And Songwriters: 1970-1971 Woodstock Rock Rock On 1970: In The Summertime Only Rock & Roll 1970-1974 Freedom Rock
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2015 at 11:30am
	Rock & Roll Relix 1970-1971 (my source) has what appears to be the LP version.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2015 at 2:12pm
	Thanks, John. I wanted to reiterate that I do not know for sure what version appears on all of the CD sources, as I do not have a vinyl LP to compare. It's possible that they are all "neither" versions on CD, but hopefully someone can chime in who has the vinyl LP.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 25	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2015 at 7:56pm
	great catch, Aaron. I too can hear the differences starting where you point out, especially the "noohhhhhh" on the 45 vs. the "noohhhhhh" with the "you gotta" overlapping on my CD version. I found this on Youtube, which given the pops and ticks, could very well be a dub of the LP (including the prior song on the LP "Candles In The Rain"). YouTube link The end of This matches the version I have on CD (with the "noohhhhhh" and the "you gotta" overlapping), so very likely we may have a case where the 45 is not on CD and all CD appearances (that run the correct length) are the LP version. I don't even hear the solo "noohhhhh" anywhere in the complete session! Wonder if the tail end of the 45 could be successfully tagged onto the end of the LP version to create the 45?
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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 April 2015 at 8:41pm
	David, I also noticed that the "complete session" version running 7:39 has the overlapping "you gotta" vocal. I'm wondering if the Rhino version on Have A Nice Day may have been pulled from that tape and faded early in an attempt to create the correct length. At least it would explain why the song runs :13 too long.
	Aaron Kannowski Uptown Sound 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop

MMathews Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 August 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MMathews Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 October 2016 at 3:20pm
	I missed this thread last year so I had no idea until now the 45 version is yet unreleased on CD, I assumed the LP had the same mix. On my way to the youtube video to hear it, I ran across this 1970 live performance on a Dutch TV show, complete with the Edwin Hawkins Singers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ52lk9wjZI The performance is fabulous, and not only did they NOT make it shorter to fit on the show, but rather they perform nearly the entire thing as heard in the long session. It runs about 6:20 or so. The only odd thing for me is the audience. It's not the groovy hippie crowd this song was aimed at, they are older conservative looking folks like you'd expect to see on Ed Sullivan in the early 60s...yet..they clap along. Enjoy.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 December 2016 at 3:43pm
	i have the correct 45 version of 'lay down (candles in the rain)' on cd from somewhere....let me know if anyone would like a copy for your review...
	edtop40

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 December 2016 at 4:29pm
	Ed, I would like to hear a digital copy to compare with a 45 dub I have.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 December 2016 at 5:03pm
	Thanks, Ed for file. Your copy matches the 45 dub I have perfectly. Is the correct 45 version on an import somewhere?

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 December 2016 at 6:43pm
	I also have the correct 45 version from a 1988 Japanese Melanie CD. Sound is a little lackluster and it could use a re-EQ, but it's from tape.