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    Posted: 27 October 2014 at 1:03pm
I'm not sure if this has been discussed but is the 45 version just an edit
of the LP version? To me the album version sounds slower and slightly
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The 45 has additional mix elements that aren't in the LP version, so it can't be edited from the LP version.

In my library, I use the 45 version from Lost 45s Of The '70s And '80s, and the LP version from Rock The First Vol. 3.
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Thank you for the clarification. Any specifics? Also this is another one of those songs where I heard the long album version on the radio back in '83 most of the time. I think the first time I heard the short version is when I bought the actual 45 and man was I disappointed as a kid. This is a similar situation like Kenny Loggins "Footloose" and a few others that I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else wants to chime in. Any idea why this was?
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The LP version spells out "safety" at the start while the 45 doesn't. That
hook may explain why the LP version got played on radio and clubs
back in the summer of '83.
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Originally posted by chendagam chendagam wrote:

Also this is another one of those songs where I heard the long album version on the radio back in '83 most of the time. I think the first time I heard the short version is when I bought the actual 45 and man was I disappointed as a kid. This is a similar situation like Kenny Loggins "Footloose" and a few others that I can't think of at the moment. Maybe someone else wants to chime in. Any idea why this was?


"Footloose" had the same 3:46-listed length across the board: the DJ 45, the commercial 45, the 12-inch promo single and the soundtrack LP.

The "Safety Dance" DJ 45 had both the short and long versions, so stations could choose whichever side they wanted to play.

If you're asking why the "Safety Dance" commercial 45 contained the short version instead of the long one, that call was likely up tho the label, Backstreet. Keep in mind that the jukebox industry was the biggest customer for commercial 45s by that time. Longer records on the jukeboxes meant less revenue for both the jukebox operators and the site providers.
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To "chendagam" & "Yah Shure":

The promo 12" of 'Footloose' [AS 1810] had the album version (with the drum intro) on one side (listed time 3:46); the other side had the single version (with the faded in flanged cymbals) with a listed time of 3:42).

This was serviced to both AOR and CHR. Many CHR stations played the album version because it made for tighter segueing in various programming choices.

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I believe what chendagam is essentially asking is, "Why did radio stations sometimes play the LP version of hit songs circa 1983-84, thus faking out consumers when they ran out and bought the vinyl 45?" - "The Safety Dance" and "Footloose" being two examples. Yeah, the *length* of the LP & 45 versions of "Footloose" was pretty close, but as AndrewChouffi noted, the intros were quite different - and I think that was chendagam's point. He actually delved into this subject regarding both songs one other time, in a "Footloose" thread that he started back in 2006. (The reason I already knew that??? While recently going through all of the top 40 hits from 1983 - inc. "The Safety Dance" - it required revisiting a lot of the old threads on this chat board in order to obtain the answers I was looking for, lol...)

Speaking for myself, that was also the same time that I started buying music, but I decided to skip singles altogether, since I wasn't a fan of vinyl. Cassette singles and maxi-singles were few & far between back then - "Vacation", "The Reflex", and "Hyperactive" all immediately come to mind - so I went w/ album-length cassettes. And in many cases, the cassette editions contained bonus tracks and/or additional versions of hit songs not found on the vinyl LP, and Men Without Hats' Rhythm of Youth was a perfect example. The U.S. cassette included BOTH the LP & 45 versions of "The Safety Dance", as well as the bonus track, "Living in China" (non-LP B-side of "The Safety Dance"). Photos on Discogs: MEN WITHOUT HATS - "Rhythm of Youth" (U.S. cassette) So in many cases, I felt I was getting the best of both - and believe it or not, to this day, Rhythm of Youth has NEVER been issued on CD here in the U.S.!
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Here's something interesting. I just discovered that there were two different US pressings of the vinyl LP, and both appear to have been released in 1983. This pressing has "The Safety Dance" as the first track on Side B and a printed run time of 2:44. Meanwhile, this pressing has "The Safety Dance" as track 2 of Side A and a printed run time of 4:32.

Perhaps there are actually two different LP versions, and the 45 is really the same as one of the LP versions.
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Yes, the LP was released before the song really took off
on U.S. radio. Once the 12" version became the hit, they
re-issued the LP with that instead.

I even recall a school dance in Jan. of '83 - months
before the song broke here. At that time this was in
heavy rotation on the new wave station. One of the DJ's
at the dance had the import 45, and that had the same
cover and version as the 12" single.
The only times I ever heard the short version were in the
video, and on Casey's weekly countdown.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chendagam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2014 at 3:33pm
Another song that comes to mind is the red hot chili peppers "give it
away." I have never heard the single version on the radio.
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