Michael Jackson - Black Or White (No Rap)

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   TM Century issued a "No Rap" version of "Black Or White" back in the day.  Does this actually exist on promo CD?  It just switches over to the instrumental during the rap part, so it's plausible that they created this one on their own using the readily available instrumental.

By contrast, I'm still convinced that an official Boyz II Men "Motownphilly" CD exists containing the "Single Edit Without Rap."  (TM issued this track, too, but I've never seen an official promo.)  There is no way to create this version using any of the mixes from the CD maxi or promo CD singles.  There is a chance that one of the German import singles has this mix (labeled as 7" Main), as the 3:20 run time is very close.  (A different German CD single has the 7" Main listed as 3:52.)

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Michael Jackson - Black Or White (No Rap) Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:06pm
	TM Century issued a "No Rap" version of "Black Or White" back in the day. Does this actually exist on promo CD? It just switches over to the instrumental during the rap part, so it's plausible that they created this one on their own using the readily available instrumental. By contrast, I'm still convinced that an official Boyz II Men "Motownphilly" CD exists containing the "Single Edit Without Rap." (TM issued this track, too, but I've never seen an official promo.) There is no way to create this version using any of the mixes from the CD maxi or promo CD singles. There is a chance that one of the German import singles has this mix (labeled as 7" Main), as the 3:20 run time is very close. (A different German CD single has the 7" Main listed as 3:52.) Edited by aaronk

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:26pm
	"Black or White" was never issued on an official promo without the rap, to my knowledge.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 August 2009 at 11:29pm
	Aaron, I believe your "custom TM Century version" is indeed what happened here. The only CD single we were sent in 1991 was the commercial CD single (34K 74100). However, although the digi-pak does have a block designed to accomodate UPC info, this area is free of actual UPC info on my disc, and instead includes a "Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale" sticker over this area. This did occur from time to time back in the day, and the lack of UPC data led me to believe that Epic had originally intended to service radio for "Black And White" in this manner. 1-Black And White (non-described version) (L 3:22; A 3:20) 2-Black And White (Instrumental) L 3:22; A 3:20) I have also just pulled two different "Motownphilly" promo CD singles, which you also included in your query here, and I will shortly be posting all those details in its own separate thread.

Jody Thornton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 23 May 2008 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jody Thornton Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 August 2009 at 6:07am
	I heard a couple of custom edits in the day. One station just spliced the rap part by deleting the section with the rap. The other station, Q-102 in Buffalo took out two parts by taking the keyboard/drum machine transition (originally between the hard guitars and the rap) and placing it between the second-to-last chorus instance and the last refrain. Hard to explain without the original times. I don't think this was Hit Disc or a promo - it sounded custom to me. I used my 12" which has the single version and simulated that edit as it was played then. I sent it to Aaron via email...lol. (poor Aaron seems like the go to guy)
	Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario)

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 August 2009 at 6:57am
	I haven't checked my email yet this morning, Jody, but I'm always glad to hear a unique radio station edit. As you can tell, I've been reviewing some early '90s R&B hits. Not a lot of info has been posted on many of these songs, and some of them have missing/incomplete info in the database. Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 April 2010 at 7:30pm
	A good friend of mine from TM Studios has been doing some detective work on a handful of these hard-to-find promo versions. Although I don't have a catalog number or disc title (yet), he says that the "no rap" version comes from a record label promo sampler. I'll post more details if I find out more.

Nick2341 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nick2341 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2010 at 8:09am
	Sounds interesting. I'd love to hear that one.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2010 at 8:32am
	It's easy to create if you have the instrumental. At the place where the rap starts, just splice in that piece of the instrumental.

Nick2341 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nick2341 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2010 at 8:57am
	Oh, right. I didn't pay attention earlier. I'll make it myself. :-P

Ron S Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 July 2018 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ron S Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 November 2018 at 12:16pm
	Just heard the no rap version on the radio. Didn't realize there was one. Back in the day our radio station played the rap version.