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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:


Also - if anyone can tell me exactly how these 2 differ -
Billboard's Pop
Airplay (a 40 position chart)
& their Radio Songs chart (a top 50)

Is the top 50 one also on mediadatabase?


The Pop Airplay charts tracts airplay strictly on "Top
40" radio stations and is basically what used to be
called "Mainstream Top 40".

Radio Songs combines airplay from ALL formats into a
single chart. It amounts to being the airplay component
of the Hot 100. As far as I know, there's no Mediabase
equivalent out there.
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

I just noticed Mediabase's Hot AC
chart doesn't match Billboard's Adult Pop
Airplay chart. For instance, on one, Jax's "Victoria's
Secret" has been #7 for
2 weeks, and the other it's been #8 for 2 weeks. I
thought these 2 charts
were the same.

Also, the regular AC charts don't line up between the
two. I thought maybe
one chart was one week behind the other but that's not
the case.

So I'm guessing BDS/Mediabase's Top 40 chart doesn't line
up with
Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 or Radio Songs (Top 50).
What's the
situation here?

I like to keep a list of of peak positions of all my
favorite songs but these
slight differences are starting to make my head spin :)


Mediabase uses different recurrent rules than BDS did.
The main difference is that nothing is removed from the
chart before it drops out of the top 10. As such, songs
like "Heat Waves" and "Stay" had much longer chart runs
there than in Billboard. ("Stay" just dropped off at the
end of October.)

I also read that, even after the merging of BDS and
Mediabase, Billboard would control which stations they
would follow for which format. So it's possible that the
two charts might never line up exactly.
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Originally posted by JMD1961 JMD1961 wrote:


The Pop Airplay charts tracts airplay strictly on "Top
40" radio stations and is basically what used to be
called "Mainstream Top 40".

Radio Songs combines airplay from ALL formats into a
single chart. It amounts to being the airplay component
of the Hot 100. As far as I know, there's no Mediabase
equivalent out there.

This is correct; however, I believe the "Mainstream Top
40" chart was compiled by plays and the multi-format
"Radio Songs" chart was compiled by audience impressions
(taking into account ratings as to potential audience
reach).

Not sure if I am correct - maybe Paul Haney could chime
in when he gets a chance?

However, it's an academic point now that BDS has been
phased out.

Andy
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From billboard.com:

Data and insights company Luminate, which provides
data for Billboard’s charts, has partnered with airplay
monitoring service Mediabase, and the latter’s radio
tracking data will begin fueling Billboard surveys
reflecting airplay activity dated Nov. 12.

Luminate previously provided radio data for Billboard
airplay charts as monitored by BDS.

Airplay charts (based on audience and/or plays) finalized
Monday, Nov. 7 (dated Nov. 12), will be the first using
Mediabase data. Individual-format airplay charts dated
Nov. 12 will reflect airplay tracked Monday, Oct. 31,
through Sunday, Nov. 6. The Nov. 12-dated Radio Songs
chart, which serves as the airplay chart component to the
all-genre, multi-metric Billboard Hot 100 (which also
blends streaming and sales data, as compiled by
Luminate), and reflects a Friday-Thursday cycle, will
incorporate BDS data for Oct. 28-30 and Mediabase data
for Oct. 31-Nov. 3 (with Mediabase data to power Radio
Songs thereafter).

Billboard will continue to maintain unique charts and
reporter panels, separate from Mediabase’s, for all
formats. Upon the change, Billboard will continue to
incorporate all current reporting stations that are also
monitored by Mediabase for Billboard’s charts. Billboard
and Mediabase aim to add additional reporting stations
going forward.

Meanwhile, weekly and year-end Billboard charts will
continue to be compiled via the same parameters
previously applied with BDS data. (Year-end airplay
rankings will continue to reflect songs’ activity while
on corresponding weekly charts.)

Along with Radio Songs, Billboard’s United States-based
airplay charts encompass: Pop Airplay (Mainstream Top
40); Adult Pop Airplay (Adult Top 40); Adult
Contemporary; Country Airplay; Rock & Alternative
Airplay; Alternative Airplay; Adult Alternative Airplay
(Triple A); Mainstream Rock Airplay; R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay;
Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay; Adult R&B Airplay; Rap
Airplay; Rhythmic Airplay; Latin Airplay; Regional
Mexican Airplay; Latin Pop Airplay; Latin Rhythm Airplay;
Tropical Airplay; Christian Airplay; Christian AC
Airplay; Gospel Airplay; Dance/Mix Show Airplay; Smooth
Jazz Airplay; and the seasonal Holiday Airplay chart.
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I've been looking at the Mediabase charts for the past month - and oddly, they
get updated daily it seems. So it's hard to really know a peak position for a
whole week. Is there any rendition of Mediabase that gives the weekly peaks?
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart or compare it to BDS (or any chart)
when a peak position can literally mean it was just there for one day? I'm
hoping there's an equivalent chart for each genre that gives weekly peaks.
More like BDS.
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Originally posted by EdisonLite EdisonLite wrote:

I've been looking at the Mediabase
charts for the past month - and oddly, they
get updated daily it seems. So it's hard to really know a
peak position for a
whole week. Is there any rendition of Mediabase that
gives the weekly peaks?
I'm not sure how to interpret this chart or compare it to
BDS (or any chart)
when a peak position can literally mean it was just there
for one day? I'm
hoping there's an equivalent chart for each genre that
gives weekly peaks.
More like BDS.


I just go to allaccess.com, navigate to Mediabase charts,
then hit the "Published" tab. Weekly charts are updated
Monday Morning (cue up the Fleetwood Mac B-side that
could have been a big hit...)

Andy
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Edison -



The Mediabase CHR chart (Mainstream / Pop chart) DO have official weekly
peaks. These are always the polished & tallied charts that are generated on
Sunday nights (Might not be for the next 2 weeks due to Christmas & New
Years falling on Sunday)...



I don't know where these are officially posted, but you can always see them on
the Pulse Music Messageboard site. Go to Pulse Music proboards CHR/Pop
thread and find the "Mediabase CHR/Pop Top 50 - part 3" thread



it's updated every day - just scroll to the last Sunday evening post - always
very clearly posted with color codes and such. This chart is what directly
compares with Billboard's Pop Songs every week.
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OK, thanks guys!
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Originally posted by JMD1961 JMD1961 wrote:


Mediabase uses different recurrent rules than BDS did.

The current #1 song on Billboard's country airplay chart is
"You Proof" by Morgan Wallen, which isn't even on the
Mediabase country chart any more.
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Originally posted by AndrewChouffi AndrewChouffi wrote:

Weekly charts are updated
Monday Morning (cue up the Fleetwood Mac B-side that
could have been a big hit...)
Andy


I agree that "Monday Morning" could have and should have been a hit. In fact,
somewhere in my incorrect memory, I thought it was an A-side single in the US
right before "Over My Head", which obviously became their first big hit. But at
least according to wikipedia and 45cat.com, which I just checked, it was never
an A-side single. Maybe it was just played as an early, album cut on the
pop/rock station I listened to in Boston, WBZ-FM. They were quite rock leaning
for a top 40 pop station.
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