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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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Here's another heads-up... In the 10th edition of Top 40 Music on Compact Disc, the song "Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money)" by Pet Shop Boys is listed with a run time of 3:43 on the CD Please (EMI 46271), yet only clocks in at 3:35 on the Discography disc (EMI 97097). I inquired with Edtop40 about this and he informed me his commercial 45 is exactly the same as the 3:43 version on Please. Or put another way... the 45 version and LP version are identical. Upon further investigation, I've observed that the first :08 of the 45 and LP version is edited off the version appearing on Discography, thus explaining why the song only runs 3:35 on this CD.
Does anyone know if this edited 3:35 version of "Opportunities" is a DJ edit? It's conceivable the full intro on the 3:43 version might have been considered a wee bit too repetitive and drawn out for Top 40 airplay. Edited by Todd Ireland |
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I have obtained the 12" dj single of "Opportunities" and it is the full length version on both sides running 3:43.
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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Thanks for the update, Pat.
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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who is the moderator..........it's not pat???...........if not, who is it??
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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The Moderator is indeed our main man, Pat Downey.
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Pat Downey ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Just to complete this investigation, I have finally obtained a dj copy of the vinyl 45 of "Opportunities" and it runs (3:43) so there was no promo edit that I am aware of.
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MCT1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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One discographical note on "Opportunities" which may or may not be relevant to this discussion: for some reason, this single was aparently released with two different catalog numbers, B-8321 and B-8330. The 8330 version seems to be by far the more common of the two.
I have an 8330 copy. My turntable is not currently set up, for FWIW my copy has a listed time of 3:44, and the master number X502390 is printed on the label. The matrix number is B-8330-S45-X-503290-P-7. The first part of the number actually has B-8321 crossed out, with B-8330 written next to it. I notice that the B-side matrix starts with B-8330 with no crossout, so maybe the new catalog number was prompted by something that was changed on the B-side, not with "Opportunities". The back of the picture sleeve has extensive production and mixing credits for both sides of the single. Does anyone have the B-8321 version of this 45? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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MCT1, all 3 of my stock copies are the EMI America 8330 45 issue. But, one of my "go-to" research books states that the b-side of the EMI America 8321 45 release was "In The Night", while the more common EMI America 8330's flip side is "Was That What It Was." Further, my latest "1955-2006 Billboard Top Pop Singles" book by Mr. Whitburn has a small notation under this title's listing, saying "first 5 chart weeks on EMI America 8321." But I am not so sure as to the accuracy of that statement, however. In 1986, as I've mentioned before here, I bought all of the "Hot 100" new entry stock copy 45s during the VERY first week that they entered the chart, and my 45 copies are EMI America 8330, not the 8321 number. I believe that MCT1's thoery is correct, and that this was simply a "b-side substitution" by the record label. I suspect that very few, if any, 8321 stock copies actually made it into stores, especially here on the East Coast, where I happen to reside.
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Paul Haney ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 April 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Jim, I can assure you that statement IS accurate! We're just reporting what the actual Hot 100 charts showed for those first five chart weeks. Anyone with access to those charts can verify this fact. |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Paul, my apologies - I was very unclear, and all of the following "deep menusha" is specifically designed for you, Paul, in terms of an explanation. I have no doubt that Billboard LISTED the EMI America 9321 stock # for "Opportunities", in those "early chart run" issues of the magazine. What I was actually (and very poorly) trying to say was that I DID, on rare occasions in the 80's, notice "irregularies" while I "scoured the globe" for the EXACT stock 45 #/types of single release info that the magazine stated for Hot 100 entries. I had been "burned" a few times back in the 70's by retail, when I found out that I was sold stock copies with a different # than the one Billboard had listed. One such 80's instance, that I will never, EVER forget, was attempting to obtain the 1988 Billboard #64 hit, "You Have Placed A Chill In My Heart", by the Eurythmics, with its listed-in-the-mag stock #, RCA 8619, during its entire, 7 week chart run. Problem was, ALL stock 45s, that ALL of the retail outlets that I knew of had in stock, were ALL RCA 7615! This song was released twice, and never charted in its original 45 release/mix. It had a listed time of (3:50), on BOTH sides of the original promo 45 we got in. The label # was RCA 7615 (deadwax "7615-7-R-A"). (FYI, I have ALL my referenced 45s right in front of me, at this moment.) Then, a "Chill Mix" remix was subsequently released as a 45. We DID happen to play this remix at our station for a few weeks, and THIS is the version that "earned" the song's Hot 100 placing. Our re-released PROMO 45s have the listed (4:00) "Chill Mix", shown as "Side A", on one side (label # "8619-7-RA1", deadwax "8619-7-RA1-A"), with the original (3:50) mix, shown as "Side 1", on the other side (label # and deadwax are both "8619-7-RA1"). All of my stock 45s contain the EXACT same versions as the newer promo 45s, on both sides, EXCEPT that the "8619-7-RA1-A" deadwax info has a line through it, and has "7615-7RX-A" written to its right, for the "Chill Mix". Same for the other side, with "7615-7RX-B" added to the left of the crossed out 8619 deadwax info. Both sides of my stock 45's label state a stock # of "7615-7RX." For some reason, RCA went back and decided to re-cycle/re-utilize the original "RCA 7615" #, for only the STOCK copies of the "Chill Mix/Original Mix" 45 release, while leaving PROMO 45 copies, for the EXACT same version combo, as RCA 8619! I know all this is VERY confusing and difficult to follow, Paul, but ALL my info here is both complete, and 100% accurate. Please, check the original 1988 Billboard issues - they ALL state "RCA 8619" as the stock 45 #, don't they? And that info was always incorrect, IMHO. All the new promo 45's WERE RCA 8619. But the STOCK copy #'s had been changed back to the original "RCA 7615", for some unknown reason. Paul, even Mr. Whitburn's OWN books have "waffled" on this song's stock # over the years since. My 1955-1994 Billboard Pop Annual FINALLY, and CORRECTLY, state "RCA 7615" as the stock #. But my new BB Top Pop Singles 1955-2006 book has gone back and reproduced the original, 1988 Billboard Magazine error, once again stating that the actual RCA stock # for the song was "RCA 8619!". Paul, what is the stock # for the 45 that Mr. Whitburn has in storage for this song? I'll bet that it's RCA 7615! That is my ONLY point in all this, Mr. Haney, my friend, and I believe the exact same thing is true with "Opportunities", although that error was later "adjusted/corrected", in the magazine itself, by week 6 of its chart run. Hey, are there any openings at Record Research for an old, washed-up DJ? :)
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