OT-charts question
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Topic: OT-charts question
Posted By: Kiefer2
Subject: OT-charts question
Date Posted: 02 December 2023 at 4:05pm
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I know some of you are/were DJs and I was wondering if
anyone has any insight on chart placings (specifically in the 80s). On the Steve Hoffman board there was a small discussion about Madonna's "Angel" and how it probably reached top 5 (US) on the strength of "Into The Groove" being available on its B-side. My thinking is that, since ITG was only on the B-side of the 12 inch single that would have no effect at all on the chart placing of "Angel" as sales of the 12" wouldn't reflect on the top 100, just airplay and 7" single sales would. I, of course, could be totally wrong and was just wondering if I am. Thanks! |
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Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 02 December 2023 at 4:13pm
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Somebody else will know better than I do, but I always thought 12" and 7" singles were both counted in sales. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 02 December 2023 at 4:55pm
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I believe MC Hammer's "U Can't Touch This" was only
available commercially as a 12" single and still made it to #8. Why it was different with "Into The Groove", I have no idea, unless it was because "Angel" was the A- Side. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 December 2023 at 5:27am
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The explanation I've always heard is that because "Into The Groove" was considered the "B" side of the 12" "Angel"
single, it was ineligible for the Hot 100. "Angel" (on its own) was a legitimate hit single. It peaked at #4 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart and at #9 on the Hot 100 sales chart. It also peaked at #4 in Radio & Records, where it actually outdid "Into The Groove" which peaked at #6 in R&R. I'm sure that "Into The Groove" helped the 12" single sell so well, but it really had little impact on where "Angel" peaked on the Hot 100. In the end, "Into The Groove" ended up becoming one of the most-played Madonna songs of all-time, regardless of Hot 100 eligibility. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 03 December 2023 at 8:33am
course, accurate. I would like to clarify that I remember in that era 12" & 7" singles were only counted together in Hot 100 sales points if they both featured the same B side on each release . (Additional cuts on the 12" were OK to have.) On the "Angel" commercial 45, the B side was a 'Dance Mix Edit' of "Angel". On the commercial 12" the A side was an extended dance mix of "Angel"; the B side was IIRC a longer version of the same mix of "Into The Groove" that was featured in the movie "Desparately Seeking Susan". I remember about a month or so before the 12" came out I supplied WGFM, a local CHR station, a dub of the promotional video (Hi-fi VHS) extracted "Into The Groove". I was playing it off of tape at the clubs I was working - It was instantly HUGE - much greater response than "Angel" (although "Angel" didn't perform all that bad, either...) Andy |
NightAire wrote:Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 03 December 2023 at 10:28am
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I can't say with 100% certainty, but it's my best guess that Billboard was only counting sales of the commercial 7"
"Angel" single towards the Hot 100. It's a shame that "Into The Groove" never got an official 7" single release at the time, but I understand that Sire didn't want to overdo it. After all, Madonna was red-hot with "Material Girl," "Crazy For You" and "Angel" coming out as singles in rapid succession. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 05 December 2023 at 1:36pm
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FWIW, a special supplement called https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboard/Billboard-How-we-track-the-hits.pdf - How We Track The Hits was published in Billboard in April 1988 and said:
Radio stations report their entire playlist. Each retail reporter identifies its 30 best-selling singles for the week, combining sales in all four configurations (7 inch, 12 inch, cassette single and cassette maxi single). ... Every record that charts on the Hot 100 must (1) have airplay reported by at least 10 reporting stations on the panel and (2) receive at least 125 airplay points from those 10 (or more) stations. The record must be commercially available in at least one of the four single configurations. Of course, maybe things were slightly different in '84. |
Posted By: Kiefer2
Date Posted: 07 December 2023 at 9:27am
| I guess it was always mildly confusing. |