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Posted By: Paul Haney
Subject: Pop Annual (1950-2023)
Date Posted: 13 January 2024 at 11:42am
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Coming this June! Order NOW and save BIG!!
https://www.recordresearch.com/books/pop-annual-1950-2023/ |
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Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 16 January 2024 at 5:22am
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Just pre-ordered. My last one was a volume from 1999, though I did have
the digital version from 2011. So high time for a new copy! Really appreciate the pre-order saving as I live in the UK so the saving basically equates to the postage costs. |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 16 January 2024 at 9:56am
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This looks really good.
I can't wait to see all the album-bomb "hits". LOL Thanks for returning the news / culture time capsules (the last edition - while terrific - seemed a little bare boned compared to previous editions) Loving that it dates back to 1950! |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 17 January 2024 at 7:17pm
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I finally got around to purchasing the Top Pop Singles 1955-2018 edition just last summer. However, I'd love to not only have an even more up-to-date edition, but also do my part to help keep the late Joel Whitburn's enterprises alive. This includes continuing to support the incredible labor of love that Paul Haney has contributed to these invaluable reference books over the years. My music library simply wouldn't be the same without them!
I look forward to pre-ordering my copy very shortly! |
Posted By: Scanner
Date Posted: 20 January 2024 at 9:18am
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Another Pop book? Yawn! How many ways can you keep
repurposing the same data? It's time for the other genres to be updated. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 January 2024 at 10:51am
Well, we just broke the company record for most books (pre)sold in one day, so thankfully not everyone's yawning! We keep doing Pop, because it sells WAY better than any other genre and therefore keeps our little company in business. I am hoping to do an update to the Country Singles book later this year. |
Scanner wrote:Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 20 January 2024 at 1:31pm
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Oooh good that Country may get an update.
2 Questions - have you considered an update to Adult Contemporary as the last was in 2006, so almost 20 years (appreciate that sales would be a reason not to as if it had been selling well then it would have got done 10 years ago!) and If/when you ever update the R&B book, have you considered adding in the R&B Bubbling Under charts? I'm slightly surprised that Country never got a Bubbling chart as when they re-launched Bubbling in 1992 you can see the big push they talk a out Bubbling Hot 100 and Bubbling R&B but nothing for Country. Always wondered why.... |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 January 2024 at 4:01pm
| I just placed my pre-order for the upcoming Joel Whitburn Top Pop Singles 1950-2023 edition, Paul! One of the most valuable features that I love about the current edition (1955-2018) is how it lists "Classic Non-Hot 100 Charting Songs" for each artist when applicable. This not only greatly helps paint a more complete picture of all popular songs in the U.S. since 1955, but has inspired me to further expand and enrich my music library accordingly. I'm wondering if this feature will once again be included in the upcoming edition? I sure hope so! |
Posted By: Jack45
Date Posted: 06 February 2024 at 6:53pm
| I preordered the book and am forward to it. Paul, if it's not too late, there are some errors I'd like to point out. For "Living in the U.S.A." in the 1974 section, the total weeks at #49 is shown as 11 instead of 1, so I believe that would place the ranking at #274, affecting the two songs above it. For 1971 the Henry Mancini "(Theme from) Love Story" shows ":0" seconds. "I Can See for Miles" (1967) shows a time of 3:35 in the book (I believe it should say "3:55" though it's actually a little longer). "Hold Your Head Up" is shown as 2:52, which is the promo length. I also believe Tony Macaulay's last name does not capitalize the second A. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 07 February 2024 at 7:53am
| All of the corrections have been made. Thanks for the heads-up, Jack! |
Posted By: Jack45
Date Posted: 07 February 2024 at 6:34pm
| You're very welcome, Paul! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 10 February 2024 at 4:01am
I've asked Paul this very question, and I believe this is in serious consideration in the next year or two (after the Country charts update). Is this still the case, Paul? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 February 2024 at 7:06am
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I'd love to do an update to the Adult book. In fact, I actually started working on it a few years ago. The problem is that it's not a very big
seller, so it's hard to justify the expense of doing the project. That said, I'm still hopeful that it will get done someday! |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 10 February 2024 at 9:26am
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Christmas Book update please!
(Now that Holiday Songs play such huge part of every year's experience) |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 09 May 2024 at 5:26am
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Hey Paul, a gnu eye deer for a future RRI book :
A Pop Annual Comparison Book !! You could go 1 of 2 ways : (a) include all the major charts BB, CB, RW, R&R, Gavin, and run it from say 1940-2009 (b) or expand that to throw in the separate BB best sellers, DJ airplay, and juke boxes from the early days, plus the latter day separate Hot 100 airplay and sales charts Just line up all the columns and there you go, boom shaka laka laka !! Sign me up !! Hooze wit me ?? Of course we'd also like to eventually see a regular Comparison Book update (by artist/record), including the above major charts and expanded years. Rok Kon !! |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 03 July 2024 at 6:55pm
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Paul:
Any update when the new Pop Annual will be coming our way? I know that June was the anticipated publication date but realize that dates can change due to circumstances beyond your control. Can't wait to see the 1950-1954 listings! That was my main reason to purchase the new edition. Thanks! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 July 2024 at 6:31am
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The Pop Annual is currently at the printer, and we hope to have them the week of July 15th. As soon as they arrive, we will ship them out.
Thanks again to everyone who has placed an order! |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 04 July 2024 at 8:20am
| Might the Color Top Pop Singles part 1 ever get a reprinting? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 04 July 2024 at 8:33am
Highly doubtful. |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 05 July 2024 at 1:20am
| Would you consider an R&B annual? |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 05 July 2024 at 5:25am
We did the Country Annual, which didn't sell much. Our Country books always outsell the R&B, so it makes no business sense for us to do an R&B Annual. |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 05 July 2024 at 8:43pm
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Short of typing the info of the book into a spreadsheet
for private, personal use, I'd have no other way to access what were the hits of a given year. The disclosure at the beginning of the book warns against that like it's some big material loss for Billboard. The information is there but I can't access it because your book wasn't organized in that fashion which could have been included as an appendix. Perhaps you'd need an additional license from Billboard. You could have set it up that way but opted to do that for only the better selling genres over subsequent books. That's leads to marginalization. I don't have every Billboard publication as I wasn't even born during much of the era that I collect. Does Billboard have a subscription where I can access the R&B chart for the third week of September in 1974? If it's anything like what allmusic has become, then it's not worth it even if it's free. The individual magazines are no longer obviously in print because they were periodicals. I'd like to get everyone but at this point that's not feasible. Some get posted online but that's only some and subject to removal. Billboard was always at a crossroads of becoming irrelevant with their stubbornness. Would you consider a special request book? I'd pay 4 figures for a book that printed off every R&B and jazz related chart. I'd pay 5 figures for a book that accurately depicted radio station playlists across the country from early 60's-mid 90's in the R&B and jazz genres. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 2:01am
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AutumnAarilyn: Billboard does have a website listing most of their charts going back to 1958 (or whenever that specific chart started, such as the Adult Contemporary in 1961)
A link to the current chart is here : https://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-hip-hop-songs/ And a link to the third week of September 1974 : https://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-hip-hop-songs/1974-09-2 1/ Yes, it is behind a pay wall, but it's also relatively easy to navigate through. I've not used AllMusic in years so I cant compare the experience. There are also websites and libraries that have older back issues - I'm in the United Kingdom and the British Library (our national library) has them on what's called Open Access (free to anybody who has a free reader pass) to view going back to the early 1960's. Online archives of full issues exist as well and Google teamed up with Billboard years ago to scan them. Here is a (hugely long) link to the 24 Oct 1942 issue - Page 25 has the first R&B chart they ever made. (You may need to copy the text to your web browser) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LQwEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=fr ontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Since Billboard seemed to collaborate with Google these are unlikely to be removed. Others have typed up the charts to gather the information in a different format and utilising different methodology to the Record Research books for ranking or sorting. Some of that exists as spreadsheets online and some of that exists on a single users computer as thats what they have typed. I'm fairly sure the stuff that exists online via a google search for Billboard Full Issues 1942 (for example) is all legal, as otherwise Billboard would have found it and removed it - I'm just one guy so if I can find it then Billboard (looking to protect their sources) would do the same with greater efficiency. Just look at how quickly videos of sporting events get taken down from various platforms for example. I'm going to post below two links to an export for my own database - I hope that this is okay and please message me if I am not supposed to and I will happily remove them. The first is to the chart for 21 Sep 1974 (You may need to copy the text to your web browser) https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/chszykyniv4x39sqqad12/1974-09 -21-Billboard-R-B-Hip-Hop-Singles.pdf?rlkey=c30y1dfe3454uxsz dn69dpyyw&dl=0 and the second is to an Annual Type listing, but going off calendar year (so 1 Jan-31 Dec 1974) as opposed to how the Record Research guys do it for the R&B Chart of 1974. (You may need to copy the text to your web browser) https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/c0mjgyz3ewvtbii7sthuu/Annual- 1974-Billboard-R-B-Hip-Hop-Singles.pdf?rlkey=r34ww0hqtlc90sy fcdzftszhe&dl=0 Again, if these are not allowed let me know and I'll remove. As Paul has said above Record Research is a commercial company and while this would be relatively easy for them to do, they are not going to do anything that is not going to make them money. I bought the Country Annual and love it - I currently have about 45 RR books across Cashbox, Record World, etc and they are fantastic - my own Pop Annual 2023 is on pre order and I can't wait to get an upgrade on the 1999 edition I have. |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 3:45am
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Thanks. 1974 was just one of about 30 years that I want all
chart info from. I did find some Billboard mags on Google and love reading especially when it gets into "new technology and formats". Seeing the forward view from hindsight is quite interesting. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 4:32am
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If it's individual charts you're looking for, WorldRadioHistory.com has tons of actual Billboard issues
scanned. Not only that, but they also have back issues of several other music industry publications. It's one of my favorite sites on the net. There's no way we (Record Research) could do any "specialty" projects. For the past several years we have struggled mightily to stay in business. Printing costs have skyrocketed in the past few years, and we have done our best NOT to pass those costs on to our customers. In addition, the post office now raises shipping rates twice per year. Standard Mail to foreign countries has been especially brutal lately. The other issue is that we are now down to basically just me working on the research and editing of the books. Frankly, I was hoping to be doing less work at this stage in my career, not more! So, we will only be doing periodic updates on our best-selling titles. I've just started on an updated Country Singles book and there is enough work on that to keep me busy for the next several months. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 5:30am
As Paul noted, Worldradiohistory.com has archived scans of most of the industry trades you can browse thru at your leisure, including the week of Sept 21, 1974. https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboard/70s/1974/Billboard%201974-09-21.pdf - https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboar d/70s/1974/Billboard%201974-09-21.pdf Might be a good time to lose the attitude. RR is a small business and it's not reasonable to expect them to put together publications that don't sell just because one music collector wishes such a book exists. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 7:41am
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I guess there is a delay in finishing the print? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 7:49am
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A poster on the Ukmix.org web site tabulated a R&B Annual (and other
genres including C&W) spreadsheet pretty much in the same format as the Pop Annual. Included are all the charts from 1944 onwards (used Cashbox charts for the time Billboard stopped publishing R&B charts) plus complete chart runs. Very reliable and accurate.A labor of love that was shared. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 8:28am
When we advertise a new book, the release dates are always estimated. We have to use the pre-orders to pay for the printing of the book, and even at that, things can get cut pretty close. We're actually not far off as this one is pretty close to the initial schedule. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 11:44am
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Guess the cat's out of the bag. Yes, many freely distributed spreadsheets of varying quality indeed exist, and some of them even originally used the Record Research books as starting points. I've amassed a pretty big collection.
I have always tried to avoid mentioning the spreadsheets among discussions of the Record Research books, though. It seems in kind of poor taste, especially given the company's recent struggles, and their ongoing challenge of creating books that provide a value-add beyond just compiling data. As with file-sharing, we all probably fall at different points on the spectrum of opinions on this topic. I like to think that there's plenty of room for everyone to do what they do. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 06 July 2024 at 1:17pm
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I've been aware of the various spreadsheets for many years now and I actually have zero problem with them. I realize they were done as a labor of
love and frankly, the small handful of people that know about them really doesn't affect our business. In fact, I know that many of those same spreadsheet creators are (or have been) some of our best customers over the years. They fill a niche that we just can't afford to do (such as the R&B Annual). |
Posted By: AutumnAarilyn
Date Posted: 08 July 2024 at 4:25am
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I didn't mean to be overly critical and I think I came off
that way so I apologize, Paul. I use the album and singles books almost daily. I can see why in the days before Discogs how the "Song Title Section" towards the back would be more valuable and of more use than an a weekly add list. Thank you for links and input as I've really binged on the "Radio and records magazine" site and that has some good info on it. |
Posted By: Archives Guy
Date Posted: 08 July 2024 at 7:54am
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Paul, I understand how Record Research has shrunk as a
company over the years. I am thankful for ANY books that you publish and release. I will always be a fan of your work. I wish you the best of luck for the future!!! |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 08 July 2024 at 9:24am
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Hear! Hear! Thanks for all your efforts over the decades, Paul!
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Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 08 July 2024 at 10:07am
I agree Paul, it takes a dedicated fan to compile all that stuff anyways. Most of us buy certain niche books because we all want one source to agree on, and Whitburn's name carries weight when it comes to annuals, pop books and chart positions. ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 08 July 2024 at 1:48pm
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I also pre-ordered a long time ago and look forward to the finished book! Keep up the great work, Paul! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 16 July 2024 at 9:05am
While Whitburn's Pop Annual 1900-1939 is out there, when I get around to it the information I have from the Pop ME excel file I keep specifically for the rankings and chart information from those years. I was glad the annual now goes from 1950 onward, it is always odd but understandable why Whitburn started at 1955, the beginning of the rock era. But honestly if you do another annual it would be great if you went from 1900-2029 at that point. Not much demand but having the history of chart music in your hand for 130 years of it is impressive to say the least.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 16 July 2024 at 11:13am
Whitburn's "The Pop Hits 1940-1954" book has the yearly Pop Annual Information for 1940 through 1954. The new book added the time and label information for 1950-1954. The list in the Pop Hits book included complete chart runs (Best Seller, Juke Box & Disc Jockey) for all #1 songs. A reminder that the first Best Sellers chart appeared on July 27, 1940. Joel used the Record Buying Guide for his 1940s chart prior to this. The guide was was a song chart (combined all versions of the song by many artists) not a singles chart and quite different than the Best Sellers chart. Just compare the 7/20/40 RBG with the 7/27/40 BS and you'll see the difference. I wouldn't have included the RBG info, but it's Joel's book! Whitburn's "Pop Memories 1900-1940" book contains very specific chart information BUT there were no national charts prior to July 27, 1940. A synopsis of where this information came from is presented in the book BUT this data is Steve Sullivan's best guestimate based on his research. Excellent resource for a list of recordings that were popular, but the detailed chart data is not supported by any verifiable source(s). Whatever chart data was utilized doesn't support the detailed printed results. Sheets of weekly charts may have been created, I'm not sure, but for me the chart data is fiction. Edward Foote Gardner published "Popular Songs Of The Twentieth Century" which included monthly Top 20 Song charts. His best estimate of the most popular songs (not singles as no artist was listed). His Record Buying Guide. I briefly compared the #1 listed in Gardner's and Whitburn's books. Lots of similiarities but also lots of major differences. That's to be expected as different sources will have different methodology and results. Back to your original wish... adding 1940-1949 to the next edition of the Pop Annual is logical and doesn't appear to add lots and lots of pages, but the book is already 1,000 pages! Adding pre-1940 yearly lists is not really supported by any data. PS The Pop Memories data was determined well before Paul started working at Record Research. |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 16 July 2024 at 12:24pm
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FYI, the 2 Whitburn "Pop Memories" books don't have a yearly Pop Annual section in them, but do have a list of #1
records by year; the first book 1890-1954, the 2nd book 1900-1940. However, the "A Century Of Pop Music" book does give a ranked Pop Annual section of 40 records per year 1900-1999 (only 30 records for 1900). So all together, you can get some kind of a good grasp of 1890-1940, before Billboards singles chart began in 1940. Based on the formula Joel went with. And that's definitely worth something !! But there were other "charts" prior to Billboard 1940, which Joel lists in the intros of his above books. Whether they were record sales, record airplay, or sheet music sales. Variety and Your Hit Parade come to mind. Rock on... |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 16 July 2024 at 2:18pm
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We actually have the weekly "charts" created by Steve
Sullivan for the Pop Memories project(s). I'm well aware of the various opinions surrounding Pop Memories. IMO, it's a useful introduction to that era of recorded music and is a great starting point to dig further if interested. BTW, we were hoping to have the Pop Annual here by today, but the printer had a couple of delays, so the books are now scheduled to arrive next week. I'm just as anxious as anyone to see the final product! We have upgraded our shipping system, so once the U.S. orders get scanned at the post office, everyone will be emailed a tracking number. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 22 July 2024 at 12:39pm
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The books finally arrived at our offices today!
We will begin filling and shipping orders on Tuesday (7/23). 
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Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 28 July 2024 at 8:30am
Thanks Paul. Can't wait! ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 06 August 2024 at 10:40pm
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I hope this isn’t asking too much but here goes. I’m curious as to how many
songs charted on the Hot 100 in the 1970’s. Going by the yearly totals on here, it comes to 5,345. However, in Dave Kinzer’s book,”The 70’s Music Compendium, he says it’s 5,344. I’m curious as to what the new Pop Annual book has. 1970=636 1971=620 &nbs p; 1972=584 1973=531 1974=493 1975=559 1976=527 1977=469 1978=451 1979=475 This is the link to an article about the book. Unfortunately this book doesn’t list every song. https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater-dave- kinzer-completes-70s-mu/ The new book looks great! I own many other Record Research books, but never a Pop Annual one. I just can’t right now as I’m disabled,fighting to get on disability, so I can have my spinal surgery. Sorry if I was being too personal. Thank you in advance. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 August 2024 at 4:33am
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For the record, here's the total Hot 100 counts for the
1970s, according to the new Pop Annual: 1970 - 634 1971 - 619 1972 - 583 1973 - 530 1974 - 492 1975 - 558 1976 - 527 1977 - 469 1978 - 450 1979 - 475 Total - 5337 |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 10 August 2024 at 10:36pm
| Ok great! Thank you so much! 😀 |
Posted By: Jack45
Date Posted: 19 August 2024 at 5:37pm
| I recently received the new Pop Annual, and I'm thrilled to see the corrections. I saw one thing, however, that would be a "D'Oh!" moment in that on Page 6 the debut date for the "Hot 100" is shown as 8/4/1990 instead of 1958. To a lesser degree, the typeface on Page 380 is different. I recall when the sample pages were shown the "In the Headlines" section for 1970-1974 showed that The Jeffersons premiered in 1974 when it was actually in 1975, so I was glad to not see that in the finished product. Keep up the good work, Paul, and may the company thrive for many more years. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 August 2024 at 12:03pm
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That wrong date on Page 6 is strange. The intro pages were pretty much copied over from the 2016 Pop Annual, with just some minor
tweaks. Somewhere along the line it obviously got changed. Maybe a gremlin?? At least in the Hot 100 explanation further down the page all the dates appear to be correct. Again, the pitfalls of doing print books! |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 24 August 2024 at 10:55pm
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I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the
1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100 library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 25 August 2024 at 3:28am
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Due to Joel changing his mind on re-entries over the years, the numbers can differ slightly from edition to edition. Not sure which edition
Ron used when compiling his library. |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 25 August 2024 at 2:06pm
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To me, if the exact version was re-released: (“You Can Call Me Al”, “When I’m
With You”, “Into The Night”), that should count as one. If the song was re- released as a shorter version: (“In Your Eyes”), the regular album version (I think “Red, Red Wine” is the only one to do this in the 80’s) or a remixed version (“I’m So Excited”, “Relax”, “Every Little Kiss”) it should count as 2 different entries. But getting back to the 1970’s. Most re-releases were released with the same version, unless it was released again as a live version. Going by memory, I believe “Dream On”, “Layla” and “Bell Bottom Blues” were released in both album and single versions. “One Tin Soldier” was released as a re-recording and I’m not even gonna try to explain the 3 versions of “Think” James Brown. Counting all charted 1970’s songs, I got 5,351 but as stated above, it’s 5,337, which would make sense as I counted 14 songs that charted twice with the same version. 1. Beach Boys, The-Sail On Sailor (#79, ‘73, #49, ‘75) 2. Bowie, David-Changes (#66, ‘72, #41, ‘75) 3. Collins, Judy-Send In The Clowns (#36, ‘75, #19, ‘77) 4. Coven-One Tin Soldier (The Legend Of Billy Jack) (#26, ‘71, #79, ‘73) 5. Electric Light Orchestra-Showdown (#53, ‘74, #59, ‘76) 6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Lucky Man (#48, ‘71, #51, ‘73) 7. Hall, Daryl & John Oates-She’s Gone (#60, ‘74, #7, ‘76) 8. Head, Murray-Superstar (#74, ‘70, #14, ‘71) 9. Heart-Crazy On You (#35, ‘76, #62, ‘78) 10. Miles, Buddy-Them Changes (#81, ‘70, #62, ‘71) 11. Newton-John, Olivia-I Honestly Love You (#1, ‘74, #48, ‘77) 12. Pickett, Bobby “Boris” , And The Crypt-Kickers-Monster Mash (#91, ‘70, #10, ‘73) 13. Think-Once You Understand (#23, ‘72, #53, ‘74) 14.-Disco Inferno (#53, ‘77, #11, ‘78) I’m also assuming the highest chart position determines what year the song is included in. My apologies if I’m mistaken on any of this. Thanks everyone! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 25 August 2024 at 4:10pm
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Some of those re-entries are accounted for in the latest Pop Annual. I got ambitious and compared the current version (1950-2023) with the counts
in Ron's Library and found the following discrepancies: 1970 - Ron (636) / Annual (634) - Ron has "Superstar" by Murray Head (#437) and "Maggie" by Redbone (#472) 1971 - Ron (620) / Annual (619) - Ron has "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos (#303) 1972 - Ron (584) / Annual (583) - Ron has "That's The Way God Planned It" by Billy Preston (#377) 1973 - Ron (531) / Annual (530) - Ron has "Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (#292) 1974 - Ron (493) / Annual (492) - Ron has "Love That Really Counts" by Natural Four listed twice at #491 & #492 1975 - Ron (559) / Annual (558) - Ron has "Send In The Clowns" by Judy Collins (#235) 1976 - Ron (527) / Annual (527) 1977 - Ron (469) / Annual (469) 1978 - Ron (451) / Annual (450) - Ron has "Crazy On You" by Heart (#332) 1979 - Ron (475) / Annual (475) By my count, that's only 8 differences, not 14 (and one of those is a duplicate by Ron). So I'm not sure where you came up with 14??? |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 26 August 2024 at 10:51am
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Ok I know what happened.
I had a total of 5351. Ron had a total of 5345. Dave Kinzer counted 5344. https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater- dave- kinzer-completes-70s-mu/ He’s the one that helped me years ago for the amount of songs that charted in the 80’s. To say the least, I was pretty much confused regarding the recharted songs. When I counted 14 songs that recharted with the same version, and since I was off by 14, I thought I found my mistake. I thought Billy Preston’s “That’s The Way God Planned it”, would count as a 70’s song, but seeing as the re-release charted lower, it makes sense. I’m glad you were able to clear this up for me! 😀👍 |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 26 August 2024 at 12:46pm
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If anything, this proves that counting the hits is an inexact science at best. I wish Joel would've just picked
a formula for re-entries and stayed with it, but it seemed like he changed his mind with each subsequent edition. I didn't want to make any changes for the most recent Pop Annual, because I wanted the info to match the 2-volume set of Top Pop Singles books that we recently did. |
Posted By: JMD1961
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 4:02am
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Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back. Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something. On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties", two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade" by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953. Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp - Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27 in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that way. So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below the 20 position chart? Just curious. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 7:19am
Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories 1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both) of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings came from for the latest edition). |
Posted By: JMD1961
Date Posted: 02 September 2024 at 9:26am
Thanks, Paul. |
Posted By: LunarLaugh
Date Posted: 29 September 2024 at 12:46pm
Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for the difference in numbers. ------------- https://thelunarlaugh.bandcamp.com/ - Listen to The Lunar Laugh! |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 29 September 2024 at 2:17pm
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When I assembled the Hot 100 folders, I used the rankings from Pop Annual 1955-2011. (Any errors were my own!)
I'm currently re-assembling them using the rankings from Pop Annual 1950-2023 and using a lot more potential sources for the tracks. At present, I've only redone 1997-1999. It will likely be a few years before I can revisit the 1970s folders. Any differences between the 2011 book (my original numberings) and the 2023 book arise from how low-charting re-entries are treated. In general, I think the 2011 tended to list the low-charting re-entries, while the 2023 tended to not list them. I'm sure that Paul used his discretion regarding whether to list a re-charting hit in a later year, or to leave it out. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 11 October 2024 at 12:18pm
When I decided to list every 1980's song that charted, I saw an error that Ron immediately corrected. The count him and I have is 4,172. This includes all re-charts. |