The Next Record Research Book
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Topic: The Next Record Research Book
Posted By: Chartman
Subject: The Next Record Research Book
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 10:06am
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With the resounding success of the Pop Annual and the
fire sale to clear out the old books in stock, RR cash flow should be looking good! So which book should Paul work on next? The contenders: Top R&B Singles (last in 2016) - not sure about the demand for this Top Country Singles (last in 2017) - more popular than the R&B genre Top Pop Albums (last in 2016) - probably the most desirable but I need a forklift for that version already. Looks like a major update effort!! Submitted for your consideration: Publishing the weekly "charts" created by Steve Sullivan for the Pop Memories projects - would definitely be interesting. Music Vendor Singles Charts 1954-1963 - not sure about the demand but these charts are so rare and need to be shared with the music chart research community. Would add to Joel's legacy and might be the last opportunity to share these treasures! Historically priceless. Cash Box Charts, the 1950s and 1990s - not really rare and available online. So what does everybody think? |
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Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 10:35am
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Adult Contemporary could use an update as
well. Last one went to 2006. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 12:24pm
That is something I would definitely buy. I would also like to see Pop Annuals published for Pop Memories, The Comparison Book, and The Whitburn Book of Top Ten Hits, which are my three favorite books you've ever published. |
Chartman wrote:Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 12:34pm
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My Record Research Top 13 wish list would be:
--a revised super deluxe singles comparison book, featuring BB, CB, RW/MV, + adding Radio & Records + Gavin. And running from 1952-2009 --I too would love a Music Vendor Singles Charts book 1954-1963, and if some charts are too poor in quality I'd be OK with just typing up those few (though with all the technology out there these days, there could be/should be some way to make a poor quality chart look better) --and a Cash Box Singles Charts The 1950s --I'd also go for a revised Pop Albums book, and if necessary, split into two books for two time periods, like the latest pop singles books; I personally don't need the track listings, as I always go to the web for that info --I too would go for the Pop Memories weekly charts by Steve Sullivan, that'd be fab kool !! --probably not doable, but I'd go for a comparison book during the time period of the separate dj-jukebox-sales charts for BB-CB-MV/RW, and throw in the main pop chart of each, so you could have up to 12 chart peaks for each record during that limited time period --maybe even produce a book by record/artist of the Honor Roll Of Hits charts 1945-1963 [or include this data in one of the comparison books I show above] [noting the DVD of the weekly charts is already available] --yeah, I'd go for a revised Adult Contemporary --a revised Christmas In The Charts --a revised BB Country Singles --BB Country Albums --BB Country Annual --a Pop Annual book for the 1940s And that's all I want for Christmas !! |
Posted By: RoknRobnLoxley
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 12:38pm
Excellent eye deer, a Pop Annual Comparison Book !! Take my money now... |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 06 October 2024 at 3:12pm
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An updated Billboard Country Annual would be my top
request. The first & only edition ends more than 25 years ago in 1997. If starting with 1944 like the previous edition is not viable consider shortening the time span and the size of the book to perhaps cover just 1990-2024? Also - a country book compiling the Cashbox Magazine charts would be on my ultimate wish list as well. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 3:22am
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I think it unlikely that Country Annual will get updated. The original edition
was still being sold a few years ago so if the original print run had taken 20 years to sell out it is unlikely that another will be made. It’s a shame as it would be a nice book. CashBox might work actually but again that always depends on the sales of the Record World ones as I’d suggest they would use those as a guide. For me, I’d like them to look at updating the Album books for Country and R&B. Most of the work is already done in that the track listings for most would exist within the Fork Lift Truck Needed volume of Top ALbums 55- 2016. Of course the charts would need to be set up but that could be a ‘quick’ book - in the grand scheme of things. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 10:19am
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Don’t think there is any chance for updates on the older books, i.e. Country
Annual, AC, Country Albums etc. There’s a reason they haven’t been updated as little demand doesn’t justify Paul’s time and expense. Don’t think any more comparison books are in the works either. Cashbox Country probably soft demand - not sure how well the Record World Country sold. Know there are some hardcore fans of the older books, but not in significant numbers. There are spreadsheets out there. I want the Music Vendor charts but forsee limited demand and production issues. But its historical value is important. Maybe loan these issue to American Radio History and let them scan them. That would be great also! I’m afraid these charts will be lost in history. Think the 1900 - 1940 “charts” would be very interesting. Record Research is a for profit entity, let’s not lose sight of this. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 11:17am
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my (unrealistic) request would be more books based on the
Radio & Records charts....such as Country, AC and R&B |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 11:34am
I should have put that in my previous post. I'd love a Radio & Records Pop Annual. |
Posted By: music4life75
Date Posted: 07 October 2024 at 11:54am
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For contenders, Billboard Top Pop Albums but it would have to include those that Bubbled Under, like the Pop Singles book does.
My book ideas (I know some of these are impossible to do but wishful thinking on my part.) Billboard & Cash Box YE Charts CB Pop Albums CB Adult Contemporary BB Revised #1 Hits (it could include CB only #1's) BB Revised #2 Hits BB/CB comparison book highlighting certain artists and what chart they did better. BB/CB book on cover versions. It can be strictly chart related or songs which the original was never released or charted or album cut. BB book on chart statistics (artists with most charted hits,longevity,biggest leap to #1, etc.) A book that lists all single releases that never charted. |
Posted By: Chartman
Date Posted: 08 October 2024 at 1:57pm
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According to my bookie, the best odds is an update of the C&W Singles
book. If that book sells well, that could possibly lead to a new C&W Annual, but don’t hold your breathe. C&W has done well lately on the Hot 100 so the fan base (and potential RR customers) is looking strong. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 18 May 2025 at 12:23am
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I've read so many great suggestions here. An R&R AC book - and updated BB AC/Hot AC book would have been nice. But I think we're left with just finding the old charts online at this point. It would be great if the AC & Hot AC charts on Billboard.com went back to 2006, where the last AC book left off. I'm not sure how far back they go. Also, not sure if there's a Radio & Records website, but does anyone know where we might find the old AC charts, like '70s & 80s, they published? Also, in case anyone here isn't aware, there's a great sale going on at the Record Research website. About 8 books are highly discounted; and if you spend $200 or more (on any books/items), you get 50% off your order. Last week I bought 7 books & a few other items. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 18 May 2025 at 5:17am
Not sure if you're aware of this site, but they have scanned copies of R&R pretty much from the beginning to the end. A few holes in the collection (especially the early years) but otherwise a great resource. https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Radio_and_Records.htm" rel="nofollow - R&R archive |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 18 May 2025 at 8:20am
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The Billboard Website does have both the AC charts within that old RR book on the website. There are also spreadsheets people have made with these charts saved in. I've bought most of the books I would like now as a job lot - postage to the UK is quite high (Understandably so, not knocking it at all) so had to merge into a single package. Came really quickly and was lovely. Still reading through the all.
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 18 May 2025 at 1:30pm
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Wow, Hyker, that R&R archive website is so cool. I just checked it out quickly. I could probably spend the rest of my life just reading all the issues. Kingsofskiffle, I don't quite understand. The Billboard website just has the AC charts for what's within the old Record Research book (i.e. through 2006)? I'm particularly interested in where songs charted for after the RR book left off. I'd check the website right now, but I have to do that from another computer. Hopefully, both AC charts go from (at least) 2006 to now. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 19 May 2025 at 1:21am
Unless I am mistaken, these are the charts as named in the book Adult Contemporary and Adult Top 40 (Both names changed to AC and Hot AC in 2006). The Adult Contemporary chart is here - https://www.billboard.com/charts/adult-contemporary/2025-05-17/" rel="nofollow - https://www.billboard.com/charts/adult-contemporary/2025-05-17/ If I have misunderstood for that chart then do please let me know as I was under the impression that the chart was the same from that point, at leats it is according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Contemporary_%28chart%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Contemporary_(chart) Adult Top 40 was re-named to Adult Pop Songs and is now called Adult Pop Airplay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Pop_Airplay" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Pop_Airplay Again a current chart can be found here https://www.billboard.com/charts/adult-pop-songs/2025-05-17 Hopefully I am allowed to post this link here - if not apologies. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ms1e0euy04vzbzf1tu4uw/Adult-Charts-1961-2024.xlsx?rlkey=tsj596rmsrp1q0peysxu27jru&dl=0" rel="nofollow - https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ms1e0euy04vzbzf1tu4uw/Adult-Charts-1961-2024.xlsx?rlkey=tsj596rmsrp1q0peysxu27jru&dl=0 It is to a file created by user DrTravel on UKMix who saves various charts from Billboard. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 May 2025 at 8:07am
That's a nice resource. Thanks for sharing! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 May 2025 at 10:29pm
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kingofskiffle, I agree with Aaron. That's a great resource. And I did check out the Billboard website - can't remember if I was on AC or Hot AC but I went back to dates in 2010 and 2006 and the charts are there, so that's a big bonus. But this excel file you shared is really awesome. Especially for going to years beyond where the Record Research books left off. You mentioned: <It is to a file created by user DrTravel on UKMix who saves various charts from Billboard. > Is UKMix a website? I tried going to ukmix.com and ukmix.co.uk but no luck. If it's a site or a chat board, I'd like to check it out. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 May 2025 at 10:54pm
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Today (Monday), I received all the books I ordered from Record Research - and I just ordered them on Thursday or Friday. Very fast shipment. As far as out-of-print books I couldn't get, there mainly was just one (Top Pop Singles 1990-2022), but maybe I'll find it on ebay, amazon, etc. some day. Paul H, Joel W & the rest of the team really did an amazing job compiling & researching all the books they've released. And though many of us wish there will be more favorites coming - that likely won't be - I'm just really thankful for all the work put in, and releases that have come out. When I was a kid, I NEVER could have imagined all these resources I'd have at my disposal many years later. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 May 2025 at 4:11am
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The website referenced can be found at http://www.ukmix.org" rel="nofollow - www.ukmix.org You have to register to become a member, and I'd highly recommend it. |
Posted By: kingofskiffle
Date Posted: 20 May 2025 at 9:37am
Absolutely agree! And, as Paul says, it is https://www.ukmix.org/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ukmix.org/ Do please sign up and visit as you would be most welcome.
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 21 May 2025 at 11:22pm
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On the Record Research website, besides the list of Sold Out books & the ones that are still in print, does anyone know if there are other RR books not listed there anymore? (I'm not talking about older editions that ended in earlier years.) I ask because I'm making a list of out-of-print RR books that I hope to find someday on ebay, amazon, etc. and I don't know if there are some that simply are not listed. (Luckily, I have about 50+ Record Research books - and based on what's listed on the website, there are only about 3 I missed out on getting). |
Posted By: CountryPD
Date Posted: 22 May 2025 at 6:05am
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Searching eBay, Amazon and other sites that sell used books for "Record Research" and/or "Joel Whitburn" may be a good place to begin. eBay currently has over 300 listings. Some harder-to-find copies are selling for BIG $$$ but there are also some great deals to be had. Clearly Paul Haney has a lot on his plate but an "archive" section on the Record Research site would be very helpful to those looking to fill in the holes in their collection. It would also be a great tribute to Joel to display all of the great publications that he created over the years. |