"Mr. Jaws" - Dickie Goodman
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Topic: "Mr. Jaws" - Dickie Goodman
Posted By: sriv94
Subject: "Mr. Jaws" - Dickie Goodman
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 7:15am
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Pat, here's one for you (but if anyone else wants to chime in, feel free).
I've noticed the three CDs with the "45 version" designation for "Mr. Jaws" all have a note saying that a brief portion of the opening sound effects are missing. So my question is are the sound effects correct on the LP version (ergo, I'd be able to dovetail the rest of the 45 version to the beginning of the LP version to have the correct 45 version)? Thanks. Sidenote--years ago, I had helped Pat discover that there even was an LP version of "Mr. Jaws." On the LP version, the snippets of "Please Mr. Please" and "Rhinestone Cowboy" are not from the original recordings (in case anyone was wondering). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
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Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 9:14am
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I have only ever heard the 45, of which I have two copies, and it, of course, contains all of the original song snippets.
Sorry, since i'venever heard an LP, I cannot comment on the sound effects. So, bottom line: if you want the actual hit, you must seek out the original Rainy Day 45. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 9:50am
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I got the LP version via the Time-Life Dr. Demento--The Mid '70s CD. So the only thing I'm not sure of is whether the sound FX at the beginning will match the ones snipped out on the Varese CD (which otherwise has the 45 version).
I suppose I could just try dovetailing it anyway, but if Pat or anyone else knows for sure, chime on in. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 7:52pm
| Yes it is the ocean sound effects on the very beginning of the 45 that are missing and you could borrow those brief sound effects from the LP version on Time-Life R830-01 to splice on to the incorrect intro on the other cd's that I list to make a correct 45 version. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 5:53pm
| What do you mean "ocean sound effects," Pat? I just bought Time-Life R830-01, and I don't hear any ocean sound effects at the opening of the song... just the Jaws music. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 7:08pm
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Brian, on the 45 along with the cello (the "Jaws" music) there are sounds of the ocean (like waves or something) in the background. Would you like an MP3 of it to hear? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 7:10pm
| Yes, please. But I don't hear these on the CD Pat references. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 21 June 2006 at 7:18pm
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This one's a toughie. The sound quality on the two CDs is just different enough for me to not be able to really make a smooth sounding single version (of course, I don't really have the equipment that some of you have to make it work)--in other words, it would sound like I tacked one onto the other. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 3:21pm
| I just heard the so-called "45 version" on the Varese CD, and it is NOT the 45 version. The CD has a bunch of added reverb that is not present on the original 45 and LP versions. In fact, the 45 and LP versions of this one are completely dry. It looks like the database will need to be updated with a "neither" comment for this one, and possibly the other "45 version" on CD, too. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 3:58pm
| I contacted one of the mastering engineers on the Varese CD, and he told me they did not have the master tape for "Mr. Jaws." What they used they got on a CD-R from Dickie Goodman's son... at least, to the best of his recollection. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 6:09pm
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On Napster, there is a number of Dickie Goodman recordings.
"Mr. Jaws" appears to be on the Goodman Brothers Label, features to me what sounds like the original recordings of "Please Mr. Please" and "Rhinestone Cowboy." The album is labeled Dickie Goodman All Time Novelty Hits (Out of Print, Digital Only, Live, Remastered, Collection, Bonus Tracks). Whew, what a mouthful! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 6:24pm
| Wanted to add, every time I see the word Remastered, that usually means processing of some kind. There is echo present on the Napster file I bought, so I'd imagine its the same file they used for the Varese CD. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 8:00pm
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Those recordings are available on iTunes as well. Suffice it to say some of the remastering wasn't done all that well (pops very much intact on some tracks). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 January 2008 at 10:12pm
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Many years ago, I found myself intrigued with the cash-in album Mr. Jaws and other Fables by Dickie Goodman, which came out on Cash Records (CR 6000, released 1975) and was distributed by Private Stock. The album has "Mr. Jaws", "Energy Crisis", "Superfly Meets Shaft", and 7 '50s and '60s-era tracks.
I noticed that for the three '70s era tracks, there were quite a few rerecordings in the sampled song bits. In a fit of enthusiasm, I strung together the "hit" samples from the '70s era singles 45s, paired with the rerecorded samples that ended up on the Mr. Jaws album and (as far as I know) all subsequent releases of the Dickie Goodman tracks. I've uploaded my creation, which clocks in at under two minutes, http://savefile.com/files/1298603 - here . The rerecorded tracks are for the following songs: Please Mr. Postman Rhinestone Cowboy Me And Mrs. Jones Love Train more Me And Mrs. Jones Leave Me Alone Helen Wheels Mind Games The Joker (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - true Elton John version on 45, completely omitted for subsequent releases) Hello It's Me You're Sixteen The Most Beautiful Girl (Top Of The World - true Carpenters version on 45, completely omitted for subsequent releases) Hopefully, you'll find this useful. (Up until now, I've gleefully considered this audio creation as my biggest waste of time, EVER!) |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 8:31am
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Quick nitpick, Ron--it's "Please Mr. Please," not "Please Mr. Postman."
I've downloaded several of the Dickie Goodman tracks from iTunes (echo, occasional surface noise and all)--among them "Energy Crisis '74," "Superfly Meets Shaft," "Watergrate," "Mr. President," and "Kong." As far as I can tell, all of the samples were authentic (not rerecorded). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 8:43am
| Woops! I must have had Carpenters on the brain, since "Top Of The World" was one of the samples. That's what I get for typing in a hurry in the wee hours... |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 8:31pm
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Well, I sidestepped all of it and just did needle drops of the original 45s that I have. I even got a new 45 of Grand Canyon's "Evil Boll-Wevil". ------------- |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 23 November 2008 at 5:42pm
| Thanks to Doug, I was just able to hear the Dr. Demento CD with "Mr. Jaws." Although it's very hard to tell, this CD also contains a vinyl dub. I wouldn't have noticed, except I've done enough of them myself to be able to spot the record noise trailing the fade out for about a half second. Whomever mastered this from vinyl did a very nice job. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 November 2008 at 7:58pm
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Yes, I don't think anybody knows where the Dickie Goodman tapes are. "The Flying Saucer" has never been released on CD from tape, either. Even the radio announcer parts are from disc.
The Varese "Novelty" CD is the only place to get it with the original drop-ins. I contacted Marty Wekser, who mastered that comp, to ask him if the master tape for "Flying Saucer" still exists. His initial memory was that they had used the master tape and that the crackles were due to actual records being used for the drop-ins. When I pointed out that there were crackles during the voiceover parts as well, he said that the master tape must not have been available. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 11:10am
| With all the Dickie Goodman records, I'm reasonably certain that Dickie used vinyl records for all the drop-ins (as I'm sure no record label would supply him with master tapes for this). So the master tape version would still be very vinyl-sounding except for the Dickie vocal parts. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 11:13am
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It was my understanding that Varese had used the only tape source they were able to find, which was off of a Liberty LP compilation, i believe...so if that one also happened to start life as a disc dub, then I doubt that the original tape would ever turn up. Not to mention that the original tape would've been full of splices and scotch tape, as was Dickie's way of putting a break-in record together, and likely unplayable today anyhow.
Anyone who knows me, knows the one I am after from a tape source is his Diamond label hit, Ben Crazy. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 5:37pm
Yes, that's true. However, "Flying Saucer" and "Mr. Jaws" appear to be FULLY from vinyl on all CD issues. Even the "radio announcer" parts have telltale vinyl crackles in them. |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 7:29pm
| It's too bad in this digital age we live in that someone couldn't take Dickie's vocal parts (if available) and edit in the song snippets matching the 45's. |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 24 November 2008 at 7:49pm
Well, they did. That's what the common version out there is... Goodman's vocal parts from the vinyl source and the "drop-ins" newly mastered from tape sources. But it doesn't quite sound the same, and Inglot got one or two drop-ins wrong. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 25 November 2008 at 10:29am
| In my humble opinion, "The Flying Saucer" sounds better on the Collectables 45 (which has the original drop-ins) than on the Varese CD. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 7:26am
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I have the two Dickie Goodman CDs on Hot Productions (I can't remember as they are tucked away in a closet but I think they are called "Greatest Fables")
Do these Hot Production CDs contain the original versions and what are their source? They always sounded pretty good to me but my ears would never dare challenge anyones from this message board. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:12am
| Their source was scratchy, worn-out records, cleaned up a bit. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 02 December 2008 at 10:38am
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Thanks EdisonLite.
Are they the original 45 versions? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 09 December 2016 at 6:00pm
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Eight years and seven days later...
Just reporting that the 45 is mono (confirmed with a needledrop that I did), and the LP version is stereo (confirmed with someone else's needledrop). The vocal parts are panned a little weird, but the opening music and some of the music samples are clearly in stereo, especially the rerecorded "Please Mr. Please" and "Rhinestone Cowboy". It may be that those are the only parts in stereo. I didn't pick this one apart in too much detail. The Rhino CD with the LP version is mixed to hard mono. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |