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Topic: Edits of short songs
Posted By: torcan
Subject: Edits of short songs
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 10:02am
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I was going over some old messages and ran into a thread about Joan Jett's "I Love Rock N Roll" from several months ago. In that thread it mentioned the 45 version ran 2:45 while the LP version ran 2:55, with one of the choruses edited out on the 45.
I can certainly understand edits of longer songs appearing on 45s so they'd be more "radio friendly", but I've always wondered why they sometimes edited shorter songs as well. Using the Joan Jett single as an example, there's just one edit in that otherwise it's the exact same as the LP. Why would they go to the trouble of doing an edit of just a few seconds when the song is already fairly short? For that matter, I'm surprised that so many 45s were just a few seconds shorter than their LP versions, either with an early fade or an edit. (I guess in radio a few seconds matter, right?) |
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Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 12:51pm
| Maybe it was also an artistic edit, in that they thought the song flowed a bit better with more editing than the longer version. |
Posted By: Jeff H.
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 7:25pm
| Sometimes labels did it to make people buy the longer version on the LP. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 04 July 2006 at 11:31pm
| Maybe it's a case of shortening a 16 second intro in half. That edit gets to the first verse twice as quickly, yet the single edit would only be 8 seconds shorter than the album version. And getting to the verse quickly is an important thing for radio, as well as for hit songs. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 6:46am
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That argument has merit, but wouldn't apply in the case of "I Love Rock & Roll," in which the edit appears toward the end. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 10:34am
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sriv94 wrote:Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 12:02pm
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Oh, I agree with that--my point was the actual edit of "ILR&R" was toward the end, so the argument about why shave 10 seconds off that song in relation to Gordon's point about cutting the intro in half doesn't apply (since that's not what they edited).
A better song that illustrates the point is Dr. Hook's "Sylvia's Mother"--there the intro is shaved in half (but it's still a really small edit). Still another example would be Air Supply's "All Out Of Love." ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 1:08pm
Or what about Taylor Dayne's "Love Will Lead You Back" - another song where about 9 seconds is edited out of the intro, and the rest is the exact same (as far as I know). |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 2:39pm
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Of course, as far as I know the all time champ would be "Marrakesh Express" (the two second spoken intro is on the LP but not the 45). :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 4:00pm
| See, a person used to hearing the 45 version, or became familiar with a song via the 45 first would usually not have a problem with the edits. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 05 July 2006 at 6:24pm
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<my point was the actual edit of "ILR&R" was toward the end, so the argument about why shave 10 seconds off that song in relation to Gordon's point about cutting the intro in half doesn't apply (since that's not what they edited). >
I wasn't referring to "I Love Rock'n Roll" in my comment. I was mainly referring to Torcan's last comment: <I'm surprised that so many 45s were just a few seconds shorter than their LP versions, either with an early fade or an edit. (I guess in radio a few seconds matter, right?) > It's true, when an edit is only 8 seconds shorter, you wonder why. But then when you think about it - if, say, the intro is cut in half, you can kind of see why the record company might want to do that. (Although, personally, I like the original, long intro of "All Out Of Love". Maybe because that's the version I first knew.) |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 06 July 2006 at 9:52am
| I just look at it differently. I see no distinction between an intro being edited or a fadeout being edited orshortened. It's all done as either for an artistic reason or an functinal reason, or both. Sometimes a single version is more thought out than the LP version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 8:54pm
Actually, Doug, I think "Burning Heart" by Survivor now has that one beaten! As Ed pointed out in another thread, if you were to edit out the first four-tenths of a second at the very beginning of the LP version intro, you essentially get the 45 version! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 07 July 2006 at 11:18pm
| This reminds me of "The Other Guy" by Little River Band. The only difference between the two versions is a quick eighth-note pick up on the bass guitar that precedes the downbeat. I can't remember which version has it, though. It could be that the bass note was added to the 45 version, which would be the opposite of the "Burning Heart" scenario. The 45 would be lengthened by about 2/10ths of a second! |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2006 at 9:10am
You're right, Todd. I completely forgot about Ed's post on that. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2006 at 9:18am
Oh. That's very different. Never mind. :-D ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: VWestlife
Date Posted: 06 March 2021 at 4:00pm
This 45 of "Burning Heart" doesn't have the first drum hit shaved off... so could the ones which do simply have been a mastering error? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCvFMStf_Mg |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 10:56am
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The 45 version of "Rainy Day People" is another edit of an
already short song. 5 seconds are removed from 1:52-1:57. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 9:29am
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What about "One Hundred Ways" by Quincy and Ingram. The LP cut from Duke has a light snare drum hit before the keyboards kick in at the start. It's absent from the 45-rpm disc.
Londonbeat was "Thinkin'About" nixing the three drum taps from the beginning of their 1991 single, so they did so on a radio promo. And Vangelis faded in "Titles" on the second set of two long keyboard notes. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |