"My Boo" - Ghost Town DJ’s
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Topic: "My Boo" - Ghost Town DJ’s
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: "My Boo" - Ghost Town DJ’s
Date Posted: 03 February 2005 at 12:43pm
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I have some new information on "My Boo" by Ghost Town DJ's that can be used to clarify the following CD entries in the 10th Edition:
Boom! (So So Def/Columbia 67532) - "My Boo" runs 5:02 on this various artist compilation CD. It is an edit of the commercial and LP version, but not a radio edit (see my "DJ edits" message thread for more info on the radio edit). Therefore, it can be concluded from my CD copy that this 5:02 version is "neither the 45 or LP version". As noted in the 10th edition, all songs on the Boom! disc are segued together. Total Dance Explosion (Columbia 68602) - "My Boo" runs 4:08 on this various artist compilation CD and is the "radio edit". As noted in the 10th edition, all songs on this disc are segued together. On a side note, the commercial single and LP version of "My Boo" runs 5:45 and appears on the So So Def Bass All Stars CD (So So Def/Columbia 67532). As noted in the 10th edition, all songs on this disc are segued together. |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 03 February 2005 at 1:58pm
| Correction: The catalog number for the Boom! CD is (Beast 54112), not (So So Def/Columbia 67532). The latter catalog number was correctly attributed to the So So Def Bass All Stars CD. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 9:32am
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As I re-read this post, I'm thinking it might be more accurate to conclude that the 5:02 version of "My Boo" on Beast 54112 should have the comment "edited" next to it instead of "neither the 45 or LP version". When you take the single and LP version and edit out the section of the song between the 4:55 and 5:38 mark, you end up with the 5:02 version on Beast 54112.
Just so I'm clear, when is the comment "neither the 45 or LP version" most appropriately used, as opposed to the comment "edited"? Are they both essentially the same? |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 10:57am
| Essentially yes, I use the "edited" and "neither the 45 or LP version" to mean the same thing. On rare occasions I use the term "edited" to indicate that I am missing some factual information. Case in point - Norman connors "You Are My Starship" has the comment "edited" behind the listing for the cd "The Buddah Box". This is neither the 45 or LP version but it is entirely possible that there is a dj edit that was issued running 3:21. I do not have this vinyl 45 promo record so to cover my ass should I obtain a copy in the future to verify where this 3:21 version came from, I simply stated "edited". If anyone has the vinyl dj copy of this song and can verify that there was a 3:21 dj edit then I will add a more concise comment. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 15 February 2005 at 11:26am
| Ok, Pat, then in that case I think it's probably safe to run with my original "neither the 45 or LP version" comment for the 5:02 version of "My Boo". |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:07pm
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does anyone have the promo cd single for this song.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:41pm
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I have the promo CD - So So Def 8197 with these cuts:
1 - LP Radio Edit (4:09) 2 - Quiet Storm Radio Edit (4:04) 3 - Hitman's Club Mix (5:46) |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 March 2012 at 10:53pm
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At the moment, the database has the following general comment for Ghost Town DJ's "My Boo":
(dj copies of this 45 run (4:09) with remixes running (4:04) and (5:46); commercial copies are all (5:45)) Database subscribers may find this info even more helpful if the comment were to include the specific track descriptions on the promo CD single release, as listed in the previous post by eric_a. |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 4:26am
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Digging this "ghost" up since it's decided to become a Top 40 hit again.
Just want to ask a question about the database entries.... Next to the "So So Def All-Stars" listing is a notation that all of the songs on that CD are segued together. This is 100% accurate, but whenever I see that notation, I generally steer clear because I assume the album is a dance party type comp and wouldn't be the best source for the song since the beginning or the end of the song is probably compromised or at least not clean. In this particular instance though, "So So Def All-Stars" was actually the original parent album for this song, correct? in such a case, would it be helpful to add an additional notation to the database so that users know that this was the original parent album, that this is the way the song has always been, and that there does not exist a source where the song is not segued into the next? Along those same lines, I also realize that perhaps I don't fully understand the "segued" comment and that I might be reading into it too much. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 6:30am
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I wondered why this song re-entered the charts, and I read that it was because of a "Running Man Video" challenge currently going viral.
To clarify, not all of the songs on this CD are segued together, although most of them are. The song "My Boo" does not actually have a segue at the beginning, but the end "slams" into the next track. Most of the tracks on the disc have what I call a "slam" mix, which is when one track abruptly ends and the next song begins on-beat. These tracks don't actually overlap at all, like they do on most "dance mix" CDs. As far as I can remember, the LP Radio Edit is an early fade of the full LP version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 11:19am
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Yes, this song re-entered due to the "Running Man Challenge" video. I
think Billboard gives far too much weight to the streaming of YouTube videos that aren't actually music videos and I'm not really sure I understand the philosophy behind it anymore. This is a video (actually a series of videos) where the song just kind of appears in the background. There's been a handful of songs that charted for the same reason over the last few years ("Livin' On a Prayer" re-entered a few years ago for the same reason) and I'm not sure where BB draws the line when it comes to these types of things or how it defines a chartable song. When it comes to this type of thing, I'm not sure what differentiates a song appearing in the background of a video (but not the focus of the video) from an advertising jingle or any other type of backing track (even a spoken word one) from any viral video. If the State of the Union address gets 20 million views, does Obama get a Hot 100 hit? It sounds like I'm ranting, but I'm actually asking a serious question--- does anybody know how BB defines a chartable "song" when it comes to this type of thing? Second, with respect to the "segued" designation.... I also just noticed that this designation appears on Stevie Wonder's "Song Review" greatest hits compilation. This surprised me because each song on that CD comes to full closure before the next track begins clean and there is no overlap between any of the tracks (at least on my version). I'd never listened to the CD all at once before (only as individual tracks), but having now done so, I'll grant that the time between songs appears to be slight when playing the CD straight through. So, what is the meaning/standard of the "segued" designation? I'm gathering it means something different than overlap (which is what I mistakenly had presumed). Apologies if i'm missing something. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 5:40pm
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I agree with you about BB and the Hot 100. To me it
doesn't make sense these old songs re-entering for a week or two, often with no explanation as to why. I also don't like how they allow songs onto the charts these days - like Drake having 20 entries at once. I think it should only be what's officially promoted as a single, rather than album "preview" tracks which will be gone in a week and skew the whole chart. Drake has already broken a record for most charted songs from one album, but when comparing it to "Thriller", or what the Beatles did, is it really a record? |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 7:17am
| Regarding the term "segued" I guess I am using it to describe zero timing between tracks. If anyone has a suggestion for better terminology let me know. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 10:32am
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Pat, I think your terminology is correct and works the way you have it. I can't speak for the Stevie Wonder example above, but the songs on So So Def Bass All-Stars are definitely segued together. I only pointed out above that the segues on this disc are not like a traditional "continuous dance mix" CD where the songs often overlap for a period of time. On the So So Def comp, the songs rarely overlap; they are mostly just segued together with a hard splice or extremely quick crossfade. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 6:00am
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I think your terminology is correct and this was my misunderstanding.
For some reason, my mind was conflating "segued together" and "tracks into the next selection." The "tracks into the next selection" designation is what I was thinking of. So just so I'm clear... "segued" means there is no break between songs but that each song could be separated from the ones before and after it without compromising the beginning or end of the track, correct? And "tracks into the next selection" obviously means some overlap? That's completely my mistake. My mind saw "segued" on the So So Def Bass All Stars listing and read "tracks into the next selection" for some reason. Sorry about that. I am curious about Stevie Wonder's "Song Review" though. I hear breaks between the songs of that CD. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 12:43pm
Actually, your earlier statement was more accurate when you said "the album is a dance party type comp and wouldn't be the best source for the song since the beginning or the end of the song is probably compromised or at least not clean." <-- Exactly correct! When I think of a "segue," to me that means the songs transition into each other with little or no change in volume between songs. Continuous dance mix CDs and the So So Def Bass All-Star CDs are good examples. When I see something in the database that reads "tracks into next selection," to me that means the song doesn't quite reach its full fade out or ending before the next song starts. In other words, if you were to separate the track, the beginning or end might sound slightly truncated, but not like a song that has an intended "segue." This is just my interpretation, though. Others may read into it differently. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
JL328 wrote:Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 8:27am
The problem is though, what you describe as a charting method (which I prefer too by the way) is now a dated "radio-ish" method of promoting music, where the music reps used to visit the MD and drop off a promo single and asks the station to add it. Problem is, that isn't how music gains traction anymore. Young people don't even download MP3s anymore. They just play YouTube videos, over and over and over again. It's all disposable now. Songs come and go now. To be honest, I don't even think charts can be really used the way they were any more. To give anything close to an apples to apples comparison between now and say 1986 would be something like this: You are a music director, and in the spring of 1986, you bring home the promo 45 copy of "We Don't Have to Take Our Clothes Off" by Jermain Stewart, remember that one? Now you phone me up (I'm your buddy in this scenario ...lol), and you tell me about the record. So I come over with my Dansette portable record player (OK wrong era). And you and I play the almighty s--t out of the poor 45, for two days straight. Now of course, the record is now trash, but then again, we've heard enough of it now. So we throw it away. Next week, you call me with this cool Mr Mister song you brought home, so I come back over again with my trusty portable phonograph. Before you know it, "Broken Wings" is transformed 250 plays later into "Broken Record". :p So see how that was done without regards for charts, radio or any other promotional tool, other than buddies? Millenials and Gen Ys don't respect brands. They listen to what their buddies think on social media and their smart phones. Radio and charts mean NOTHING to them (yes I know you all can give me countless exceptions) but that's not typical. Sad, but true. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 9:40am
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I like your analogy, Jody. If anything, the new chart methodology is more accurate than ever before. In 1986, there would be no way for Billboard to know which records you were playing on your Dansette portable player. In 2016, they know exactly which songs are being streamed on YouTube, Spotify, Pandora, etc.
For us "old timers," the charts can be frustrating, because there are no "singles" like there were in the days of physical music releases. People simply buy songs, regardless of whether the record label is promoting them or not. Regardless, the most popular songs will still rise above the rest and remain on the charts for a longer period of time. Sure, Drake may get 20 chart entries in a week, but how many will stay on the chart for several weeks, and how many will make the top 40? I think that's the key difference when comparing old charts to new. You have to look at not only peak position but number of weeks on the chart. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 4:35am
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So Aaron, should we then disregard the fly by night tracks, so that only the success of the long range "hits" can be compared to say, Elvis?
Maybe what is needed is the removal of labels from the equation since it appears that artists no longer even need them as a promotional tool. I'm a bit removed from music promotion now, so I need to ask, are most releases now WITHOUT any physical carrier? Or is a CD always at least available? ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: JL328
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 5:25am
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Most albums are still released on a physical CD, but there are a bunch
of exceptions. Over the last few months, I think the most notable exceptions are Drake's "Views"* and Kanye West's "Life of Pablo." These are both digital only releases. Beyonce's "Lemonade" was originally out digitally but didn't have a physical release until May 6. I don't know if it's a function of having a digital only release, but Beyonce's 8 Top 40 hits a few weeks ago was the result of some form of savvy marketing. Lemonade" is priced at $17.99 on iTunes, which is more than the aggregate cost of ALL of the songs on the album (although album buyers also get a video). So, aware buyers bought all of the songs individually as opposed to buying the (digital) album. Obviously, a bunch of people aren't going to do the math on that kind of thing, so they bought the whole album. So the album charted high and all of the individual songs charted high because they were bought as individual tracks. I actually don't have a problem with the charts for the most part. Those 8 Beyonce songs really were pretty popular that particular week. People were obviously buying them and streaming them online. The streaming was also bolstered by the fact that the whole "Lemonade" project had a visual component to it. But those songs really were some of the most popular songs that week. What I have a problem with though is songs like "My Boo", "Livin' On a Prayer", and other songs that chart as a result of viral video that aren't actually videos for the song. They're just background tracks. "My Boo" shouldn't have charted in my opinion. The videos that caused it to chart aren't videos for the song but videos for the "Running Man Challenge." People didn't watch those videos for the song. Regardless of how we feel about this, i have a feeling that the recent invasions by Prince, Beyonce, and Drake will cause Billboard to adjust the power of streams and change the way that downloads are measured. They adjusted to squash the Glee and American Idol phenomena and I bet they do it again here. *EDIT: I just realized that Views does have a physical release, so there are really very few albums that don't have a physical release. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 9:55am
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Jody, I think Jeff sums it up nicely by saying the charts represent a snapshot of what is popular that week. I think we, as collectors and chart enthusiasts, often times like to compare old charts to new charts, but it's always going to be apples to oranges. The charts simply rank what is most popular in a given week but do not give you actual numbers. They don't tell you how many copies of a song have been sold (unless certified Gold or Platinum), nor do they tell you how many spins/streams a song is getting. Without knowing those numbers, I don't know one would ever truly reach an accurate conclusion when comparing two songs based solely on peak position and number of weeks on the chart.
I do, however, still think that the number of weeks can be a good indication of "fly by night" hits. Even if a song makes the top 10 but only stays on the chart for a few weeks, that to me is an indication that it didn't truly reach "massive hit" status. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 04 November 2024 at 2:10pm
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The database currently states "commercial copies all run
(5:45)". As far as I have been able to ascertain, the only commercial single format issued in the US was a twelve-inch vinyl single which, according to Discogs, contains six versions of the song. As Aaron stated eight years ago, the 'LP Radio Edit' on the promo CD is an early fade of the LP version. The LP version and the Hitman's Club Mix both run about 5:45-5:46. The version of "My Boo" on the digital So So Def Bass All Stars album is erroneously described (at least on iTunes) as the Hitman's Club Mix. It is in fact the LP version. The stand-alone single currently on iTunes is similarly misidentified as the Hitman's Club Mix. |