paul young "what become of brokenhearted"
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Topic: paul young "what become of brokenhearted"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: paul young "what become of brokenhearted"
Date Posted: 08 August 2006 at 7:57pm
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need a little help here on this one......does anyone have a promo cd single for the song "what becomes of the brokenhearted" by paul young..........my promo cd single is issued as mca cd45-2106.....if so....what is the actual running time of the song on your disc......the cassingle and 45 both run 4:05 and is a slight remix of the full 4:35 cd/lp version.....my promo copy issued as cd45-2106 runs 3:50......the reason i'm asking this question is that i have another mca issued song from a band called indecent obsession titled "tell me something" and this song has TWO promo cd singles issued with the outside inserts stating the same catalog number but the disc itself stating a different catalog number........the versions on these 2 disc are different as well........i'm just taking a stab at trying to find a promo cd single issued somewhere with the correct 45/cassingle version of the song "what becomes of a brokenhearted".........anyone?? ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 11 February 2008 at 9:03pm
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bumping this one up to the top, since it's been a few years...this is one of the 2 or 3 tracks from the 90's which i do not have the correct single version for.....has anyone been able to edit either the full length cd version or the promo cd version down to match the cassingle/45 version....i believe it may not be possible.....i think aaron tried it a few years ago and he felt it couldn't be edited...if that is the case can someone use the parts from a mint 45 to splice together with either the full length cd version or the incorrect edit from the promo cd single....edop40
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 8:56am
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Ed:
I have a sneaking suspicion that the 45 is some sort of remix... http://www.highlandauctions.net/images/xmas1046.JPG - What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted The label says - Original version appears on the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack FRIED GREEN TOMATOES album. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 8:53pm
| The 45 version is indeed a remix and cannot be edited from the LP version. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 12 February 2008 at 9:07pm
| Since I hadn't gotten to this song yet, ordered the 45 today. Will be anxious to hear the remix. |
Posted By: Martin
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 7:57am
| Hi to everyone, I have the TM Century Hit Disc number 923A from January 10, 1992, and track 9 is "Paul Young - What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted" and the lenght is 3:42, it ends with a long fadeout. |
Posted By: Ringmaster_D
Date Posted: 07 August 2011 at 6:34pm
| I was just comparing the LP and single versions and although the remix differences are somewhat subtle, the big difference is that the two versions have a completely different sax solo! The single version solo mirrors the chorus melody in its opening phrases while the album version is much more free form. The length difference is due to an early fade. |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 9:39am
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Quick Question on this......
Is the 3:50 dj promo version an edit of the 45/cassingle version which would then make it a remix or is it an edit of the LP version? |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 7:37pm
Ed, I'm a little confused as to why you would ask others for the "actual running time" of a CD45-2106 promo CD single that you already own, but no matter. Although my 1-track promo has a listed time of (3:50), it's actual time is (3:48). But it exactly mimics the TM version info mentioned later in this thread, with the song's audio level during the last 5 seconds or so being so low as to be basically inaudible. Radio would've dumped out of it at 3:42-ish. FYI. this was the only promo CD single for the song that we got into our station back in 1992. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 7:54pm
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Jim, if I am reading into it correctly, I think Ed is hoping that someone has a promo CD that is different from his--i.e. a second issued promo that has the 45 version. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 25 December 2012 at 8:20pm
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Yes, Aaron, I did pick up on the fact that Ed was hoping that a second
promo CDS existed, which mirrored his 45/cassingle's contents, for which I do not believe existed. And I realize that this it is an "older" initial post. Ed was clearly disappointed that the 2106 P CDS contents did not match up with his commercial 45 audio. My only point was that, for this reason, I feel Ed "glossed over" the actual 2106 P CDS contents, and provided incomplete details in his post. He said his promo "runs 3:50." So that's what I thought myself, when I first read it. But it doesn't. Listed time (3:50); actual time (3:48). But, on a practical level, the track only runs (3:42). And an eight second time difference is an eternity for some of us "sticklers." In fact, it appears to me as if this P CD single's mastering engineer clearly made a mistake. He intended to have the faded audio be fully gone by (3:42), but he accidentally only faded it down to "1%", not "0%". This is a quite unusual find. I just happened to find my good buddy Ed's comments on it a tad confusing. And *no* one on our board takes a time discrepancy of just a few seconds more seriously than EdTop40! :) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 26 December 2012 at 2:02pm
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Thanks for the additional details, Jim! Yes, point well taken. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 11:50am
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i just pulled out my promo cd single issued as cd45-2106
and the listed run time is 3:50 but actually runs 3:48....and the fade is very faint after the 3:42 mark....i still to this day have NOT been able to find the proper 45/cassingle version on cd.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 12:23pm
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Ed,
Is the 3:50 promo version an edit of the 45/cassingle version which would make it a remix or is it an edit of the LP version? Jeff |
Posted By: Fetta
Date Posted: 29 December 2012 at 12:24pm
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Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 14 February 2019 at 8:51pm
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Bumping this up to answer Fetta's question from 2012. The 3:50 (3:48 actual) promo CD single uses an edit of the LP version. The 45/cassingle version which is a remix has never been issued on CD. ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 15 February 2019 at 5:29am
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Does anyone out there have a clean dub of the commercial 45 of this hit?
I'd love to hear it! Andy |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 15 February 2019 at 3:44pm
Check your inbox, Andrew. ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 16 February 2019 at 6:23am
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Thank you "prisdeej"!!
It sounds good. Is it taken from a cassingle, a 45 donut, or did you find a digital source? Andy |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 16 February 2019 at 10:00am
It's an immaculate vinyl restoration. ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 February 2019 at 12:40pm
You're welcome. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 16 February 2019 at 3:24pm
And it was Aaron's! Ha! :) ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 16 February 2019 at 5:11pm
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I cannot find any evidence that “What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted”
was issued as a single in any country other than the United States. The song appears to have been a hit only in the US and Canada. (Both Canadian trade publications at the time, The Record and RPM, published separate airplay and sales charts, and in each publication the song charted only on the airplay chart. I was unable to find a cassette single in my local record store when this song was a hit, so instead ordered a 7-inch US single via mail order. Canadian promo CD singles were usually not produced for individual songs; labels usually sent radio stations promo CDs with 10-25 songs. “What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted” was issued by MCA Records Canada on “CD Compilation #1 - January. 1992” (MCAD-9201). According to Discogs, the version on this CD runs 3:50, making it the same version as on the US promo CD single. This appears to be the only other place this version was ever issued.) I don’t know if the Fried Green Tomatoes soundtrack was even issued outside of North America. “What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted” was issued in the UK and continental Europe in 1993 as Track 3 on the 4-track CD single of “Hope In A Hopeless World”. According to Discogs, the track runs 4:35, making it the LP version. On January 25 of this year, CBS in the UK released the 20-CD Paul Young box set, The CBS Singles Collection 1982-1994. Disc 18 of this box set consists of the same four tracks as on the “Hope In A Hopeless World” CD single, with “What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted” as Track 3. In the descriptions of this box set that I have seen, I could not find any indication of what version it is, but it is most likely also the LP version. There do not appear to be any plans to release this box set in North America. So there is still no evidence that the commercial single version of “What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted” has ever appeared on any CD (commercial or promo) anywhere on planet earth. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 17 February 2019 at 6:33am
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Thank you Aaron for restoring the commercial 45, and Dave for sending it to me!!
Andy |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 23 April 2021 at 7:24pm
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Okay so here is my understanding:
1) The 3:42 TM Century is 6 seconds short of the 3:48 on the CD Promo actual running time 2) The 45 version is 4:06, as Aaron restored from the 45. 3) There is a version that is a 4:32 but this does not appear on the 1990 Paul Young album. So where did it first originate. Ron has it as Spotlight on Hits Vol. 4. So since this is 1992, is the hit version the CD Promo or the 45? I tend to favor the 45 I seem to remember this version on the radio.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 5:27am
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To PopArchivist (Richie):
For 3) the 4:32 version is taken from the 'Fried Green Tomatoes Original Soundtrack' on MCA in 1992. To answer your question about what version was the airplay hit, I would gather that the promo 3:48 version got the lion's share of broadcast play because by 1992 very few stations were carting up 45s or cassingles and there (to date) hasn't been any reported cases of the commercial single mix being released digitally, It's possible a few stations did prefer the commercial single mix and therefore did cart it up or ask the label for a dub or DAT of master. Andy |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 5:35am
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This is what I've gotten from the thread so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
1 - The TM Century 3:42 is the same as what's on the promo CD Single, and there is about 6 seconds of silence after the music fades out which brings the total track time to about 3:48. So apparently there is no version where the music actually runs 3:48 before fading out completely. 2 - The true 45 version has only ever appeared on the US Vinyl 45 and Cassette Single and nowhere else. Its main difference is the sax solo which mirrors the chorus of the song, like Ringmaster previously mentioned. 3- The song was only on the "Fried Green Tomatoes" soundtrack when first released in 1992 and not on any of Paul Young's regular studio albums. I have the FGT soundtrack and can vouch for the running time of about 4 1/2 minutes. As for which is the Hit Version, I'd go with the Promo CD version. I can honestly say I never heard the 45 version with the different sax solo on the radio at all, and in fact didn't even know one existed until I read about it here on this thread. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 7:43am
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I had to go back through the thread and re-read all the
posts. Jim (Rest in Peace) mentioned that the audio on his promo CD single extended beyond the 3:42 point but the audio was so low it would be easy to not hear anything beyond that point. Ed, does your promo cd single extend to 3:48? Did TM Century fade out of the promo CD single earlier when mastering their CD? They were not known for that with their Prime Cuts series as everything mirrored the promo cd singles at the time. I would think stations would either have played the promo CD single or the TM Century version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 8:05am
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I looked up the listing on Discogs for the import Paul
Young CBS Singles collection and the listed time on Discogs would indicate that it's the Fried Green Tomatoes version. https://www.discogs.com/Paul-Young-The-CBS-Singles- Collection-1982-1994/release/13203953 ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 9:12am
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Not to get too far off the subject, but here's a little trivia for anyone who'd like to indulge:
Does anyone know the connection between Paul Young's version of "What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted" to the 70's game show, "Match Game"? ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 11:23am
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Not sure what the connection is Dan.
Another interesting bit of trivia regarding a cover of this song is that early on in the making of the Bodyguard movie the makers of the film were considering having Whitney Houston record the 1966 Motown song for the soundtrack. Eventually they agreed she cover a country song instead. The rest is as they say history. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 24 April 2021 at 12:01pm
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Hmmm, now that's interesting! I can definitely hear
Whitney covering the song and doing it justice. But in the end, it was probably better that she recorded "that country song". It ultimately gave her the biggest hit of her career. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 25 April 2021 at 5:51pm
Frequent panelist Fannie Flagg wrote "Fried Green Tomatoes", which Paul Young covered the song for. I will also add that I only heard the version with the freeform sax solo when this was a current as well as a recurrent. I think it's fair to say that is the version that was the hit. The fact that the 45/Cassingle Mix isn't even on YT proves its obscurity. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 3:53am
Correct! The full title of the book she wrote is "Fried Green Tomatoes At The Whistle Stop Cafe". I brought the subject up because I'm a big "Match Game" fan and I still watch the reruns, even though I saw many of them 40+ years ago when they were first on. Fannie Flagg also usually sat in the same seat on "Match Game" as another one of my favorite gals, Betty White. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 4:01am
This version on YouTube claims to be the 7" Version of the song, but obviously it's not because it doesn't have the correct sax solo that's similar to the chorus. I guess someone just edited the Soundtrack Album Version to match the running time of the 45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_aZIDhFhHc&list=RDw_aZIDhFhHc&start_radio=1 - What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted (1991 7" Single Version) ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 4:58pm
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In comparing the single and album versions, it sounds to me like the "Ooohs" of the background singers on the intro sound a little closer up in the
single mix, whereas on the album version they sound a little further back. The single mix also sounds a little brighter to me in general. Or, maybe it's just my imagination...lol. ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 26 April 2021 at 7:43pm
Could be just EQ, not uncommon to make the radio versions brighter. |
Posted By: thecdguy
Date Posted: 30 October 2024 at 7:44pm
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YouTube video of the correct 45 version being played.
https://youtu.be/EbrFiJCQuOo - Paul Young - What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted (45 Version) ------------- Dan In Philly |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 11 November 2024 at 5:07am
Yes, that's clearly a remix and not an EQ adjustment. Those backing vocals are not prominent in the LP version or any other version. |