Aerosmith - Dream On
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Topic: Aerosmith - Dream On
Posted By: aaronk
Subject: Aerosmith - Dream On
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 9:35pm
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I'm just reviewing the (3:25) 1973 version of "Dream On" by Aerosmith. Not only is it edited, but it is also a different mix from the version that appears on Greatest Hits. Here's the comment listed in the database:
1976 DREAM ON when this commercial 45 was originally released in 1973, the length was edited to (3:25) and remixed but it was rereleased in 1976 with the full length time of (4:26); the 1976 dj copies ran (3:25) and (4:28) To me, this indicates that the full length version issued in 1976 was also remixed, unless I'm reading into it wrong. If that is the case, are there some (4:26) versions that are remixed and some that are not? Does the mix contained on Pop Music: The Modern Era 1976-1999 match the mix on the 45 or the mix on Greatest Hits? Here are some of the noticeable differences in the short 45 vs GH versions: - Beginning of 45 is much softer than GH version - Guitars are mixed louder on the GH version - The 45 mix has a "wispy" sort of background "aaaaah" that is very thin sounding and echoey in several places. It's during the chorus and fades out as Steven sings the word "away" before the second verse. This background vocal/effect is not present on the GH version at all. - At (1:57) on the 45 and (2:59) on the GH version, the guitar riff pans on the 45 but not on the GH. Immediately following is the line "dream on (x3) / dream until your dream comes true" followed by another guitar riff. On this riff, the 45 has a lot of reverb added to the guitar (not to mention it's more centered), while it is dry on the GH version (and only in the right channel). Does anyone know if this 45 mix exists on CD? I'm skeptical that the Sony CD has it correct, since so many other mistakes have been discovered on these discs (and box set). |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 11:22am
| Aaron, the "Pop Music: The Modern Era 1976-1979" cd does indeed have the (3:25) remix you are inquiring about. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 21 January 2008 at 11:42pm
| My 1976 commercial 45 has a listed time of (4:28), but an actual time of (4:23). |
Posted By: vanmeter
Date Posted: 22 January 2008 at 3:52am
| I listened to a friend's promo 45 of the 1976 release which had long/short on it, and the long version is just the standard LP mix, which was disappionting as I like the edited mix on the other side better. The edits aren't that great! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 22 January 2008 at 10:46am
| To me, there's just one bad edit -- at the end of Chorus 1. It starts in one word and continues in another, much like the choppy edit on Steve Winwood's "While You See a Chance". That said, when I heard both songs on the radio as a kid (and the edited versions were played), I never noticed the edits! This was partially due to the fact I had never heard the album versions back then. I, too, like the mix on the short version of "Dream On" better. And btw, I lived outside Boston at the time, where this was a #1 hit in 1973 ... so the actual 45 I bought was this edit/remix. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 May 2009 at 11:42am
| Regarding "Dream On", the database currently states that "the 1976 dj copies ran (3:25) and (4:28)". I inquired with my good friend Jim about the actual DJ 45 run times and he reports his promo copy has actual run times of 3:23 (the printed record label time is 3:25) and 4:23, not 4:28 as stated on the record label. This info should probably be noted in the database. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 14 April 2015 at 9:29pm
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I'll also add another important thing, the re-arranging of one of the choruses in such a way that it came between the first two verses or verse one and three... and there is a longer intro, the first two verses, the bridge "where it comes, where it goes, nobody know", then another verse, then the chorus, slightly longer intro break, then chorus, then different repeated bridge where we hear the title, then chorus repeat, on the familiar 4-1/2 min.version, all with solo vocal.
The SINGLE version, played and released both in 1973 and 1976, has THIS structure: much shorter intro, first verse then chorus with girls's choral backup (nice going, S.Tyler!) then second or third verse, then intro, very short intro, the title-bridge, then the chorus repeat. Single is 1 minute shorter than LP. (3:35 vs 4:28). I ALSO in a way prefer that version MYSELF! It's on YouTube...there are arguments there on one channel's uploading in entry box, whether it is a remix/edit (including the job of re-arranging the verse and chorus) and dubbing of distaff choir or a whole different version (familiar query, huh?). ;) ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 21 April 2015 at 9:45pm
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Pat Downey, on behalf of Aaron and everyone and myself, thank you for the info on the 3:25 single of Dream on.
:) ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 21 April 2015 at 10:04pm
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BTW It's Pop Music: The Modern Era 1976-1999, not 1979..it's still available on Amazon! I got my download and it's on my playlist.! :D ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 April 2015 at 10:41am
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Sony's 2-CD Pop Music The Modern Era 1976-1999 (1999) is pretty nice, and is dirt cheap nowadays. It has the 45 versions of "Dream On", "Play That Funky Music" (the proper 45 edit), "Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)", and "Rockit".
It sounds like they found some really good source tapes for most of the tracks. Volume levels and dynamic range vary from track-to-track - some are fabulous, some are maximized. Overall, a VERY worthy purchase. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 22 April 2015 at 2:25pm
I guess!! Amazon shows 8 vendors offering this set for $2 or less (including one for a penny). Does this have the single version of "Two Tickets To Paradise"? |
crapfromthepast wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 22 April 2015 at 2:36pm
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Steve, no it doesn't. As I recall, there is only 1 CD
with the true 45 version. "Playlist: The Very Best of Eddie Money." |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 22 April 2015 at 8:25pm
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Indeed - I was hoping for the 45 version of Eddie Money, which would have fit in perfectly, but no. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 19 September 2016 at 6:56pm
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So, let me get this straight...
There are just two versions of the song: "Long version"
------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 20 September 2016 at 7:19pm
Correct! ------------- |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 7:33am
Actually I'd say three of the edits are pretty poor. The first edit that would've excised from :12 to :37 is really cludgy. It sounds like you hear the beginning of the downbeat from the edit out point, before the pick up point. So you get a doubled up bass strum. Going from the first chorus (which I realize was placed in there) to the pickup point on the LP version at 1:26 (boy is that jarring). Given that no time was saved, it makes me wonder why they didn't just leave what's in there originally, I get they probably wanted to familiarize the audience with that strong chorus, especially given that the last instance of the chorus is nixed out at the end. Which brings us to the edit from 2:19 to 2:58 - yikes. I just pulled out my Greatest Hits LP and tried replicating the edit, but instead I took the last past of the third chorus and joined it with the second. So my edit is from the downbeat at 2:10, and the pick up point is at 2:49. The edit sounds great - WHY ON EARTH DID THEY NOT JUST DO THAT ??? I also wonder if the track is actually remixed or if the EQ was altered at some point. The guitar track after "comes true" sound like the midrange was boosted with echo applied. I suppose I wondered about that, because remixing would mean you had access to the multi-track tape, which mean much better editing should have been possible. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 7:44am
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Just tried an alternate to the replacement of the first chorus. I grabbed from 2:04 through to 2:34, and used that to replace what was formerly between 1:14 and 1:39. It really works well.
Again, I can't for the life of me why they wouldn't have that instead. These were within the realm of analog tape editing (head shaking) Anyone who wants to hear what I came up with can message me. :) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 9:49am
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Regarding the remixing, Jody, it seems they probably remixed the entire song and then decided to edit it. Somewhere in the vaults likely sits the full, unedited remix. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Tom Daly
Date Posted: 06 March 2018 at 6:20pm
| CBS was always remixing and editing singles once Clive Davis replaced Mitch Miller as the head of A&R at Columbia. Epic wasn't as aggressive about edits as Columbia. "Dream On" was up there in 1973, but notable priors are Big Brother & the Holding Company's "Piece of My Heart" and It's a Beautiful Day's "White Bird." The latter cannot be re-created from the album mix, but the former can, although both singles were mono only. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 09 March 2018 at 6:49am
@EdisonLite I attempted respond to your PM, but your Inbox is too full. Sorry for the late reply. So I'm linking the files here from Yandex Disk. I have created a DropBox account for you, and placed the files up there as requested. Again though, I have no way of sending you a PM, since your mailbox is full. So there are three versions: https://yadi.sk/d/BHlhrmoc3TC2Dk - My Original Edit https://yadi.sk/d/6ESo8kco3TC2qh - My Improved Edit (with a shorter more precise bridge between the verses) https://yadi.sk/d/Ll7ymctn3TC2qq - Similar to the Improved Edit (but with a dryer EQ and "echo" effects on the guitar solos at the end, thereby mimicking the single remix ....lol - I tried) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 29 March 2018 at 12:04pm
| Thanks Jody. I'm a bit behind due to computer problems but will listen to your 3 edits! (Also Jody, I cleared out my inbox - didn't realize it was limited to 25 inbound messages. That's why you couldn't PM me. Now I've deleted those 25 inbox messages, so I can be PM'd again). |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 20 June 2018 at 6:08am
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Hi EdisonLite:
Did you download these mixes already? Just let me know when you have, and I can remove them. I will patiently wait until you've downloaded them :) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 June 2018 at 12:33am
| Just got them Jody. Thanks for the reminder and making them available! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 10 July 2018 at 5:20am
Cool, I'll delete those, and thank you. I look forward to your critique ...lol Cheers my friend. :) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 31 May 2024 at 8:59am
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Has anyone been able to confirm that the
short stereo mix on the promo 45 of Columbia 3-10278 actually matches both the edit and mix on the stereo stock and promo release of Columbia 4-45894 ? I ask because I note that they have different matrix numbers, and I'd assume that if it was just the short remix version being reused, they would have just pulled the original tape and not had a new master made. ------------- Live in stereo. |