America "Horse with no Name" remixed?
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Topic: America "Horse with no Name" remixed?
Posted By: budaniel
Subject: America "Horse with no Name" remixed?
Date Posted: 02 September 2006 at 9:23am
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Hey all,
on America's Greatest Hits: History CD, all tracks up to Muskrat Love say "remixed by George Martin" in the individual track liner notes. The database notes that I Need You and Ventura Highway are remixed, but does anyone know if Horse with no Name is different from the original version too, since it does say remixed? It's the only CD I have the song on, so I have nothing with which to compare it. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 4:23pm
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Hi
well i have to say thanks for pointing out the remixes, I've been playing their hits from the History album for years and I never noticed they were remixed. I once had all the original albums on vinyl but never compared them to the greatest hits. I pulled the "America" cd and sure enough, "A Horse With No Name" is a different mix than what's on History. I checked "Complete Greatest Hits" and that has the same mix as the original album. The most obvious difference, if you're comparing the mixes on cd's: The original mix has the acoustic guitar track that opens the song pretty much centered and it stays that way. On the remix, that guitar track starts in the center, and then when he starts singing, that guitar pans over to the right so both acoustic-guitar tracks are in the left and right. It still amazes me how many little details I learn on this site that I never noticed. Anyway hope the info helps... -MM |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 6:14pm
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wow. that's huge info. Thanks. Now I wonder which mix is on all the other CDs/compilations, etc., on which it appears.
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Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 08 September 2006 at 4:36pm
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Bill Inglot, who mastered the Complete Greatest Hits, used the original mixes. Remember that George Martin has a thing for remixing stuff.
Though not the topic of this thread, it's also worth noting that the recent Complete Gordon Lightfoot Gresatest Hits CD also uses all of the original mixes, unlike "Gord's Gold". |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 9:23am
| I used to have the America's Greatest Hits: History CD but immediately got rid of it after purchasing the Complete Greatest Hits disc because I always thought the sound quality on the History set was terrible! But now I'm curious if other CD compilations containing Top 40 hits by America are all original mixes, or do some use the George Martin remixes from the History disc? Anyone have any insight on this? |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 12:06pm
| Just as a footnote for subscribers to the database, I do not define moving instruments from the right channel or the left channel to the center as a remix. If I did, I would have to compare every song in its entirety to every appearance on cd which would be time prohibitive. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 September 2006 at 6:05pm
| Are there other differences on "Horse With No Name" other than the guitars switching channels? Added reverb, extra instruments, etc.? |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 6:22am
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Grant, could you shed some light on which tracks on "Gord's Gold" are remixed and how? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 02 May 2009 at 7:59am
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i just listened to the version from the cd's below versus the vinyl 45 and the version on "complete" is the same as the vinyl 45.....the "history" cd version is different.....specifically during the fade out.....the "history" cd version, the fade out is louder and doesn't contain the echoing effect that is on the 45 and the "complete" cd version......this MAY not be enough of a diffrence for some but it is for me.....the "complete" cd version also runs just a few seconds short because they faded it out as to not include the truncated ending...
The Complete Greatest Hits Warner Archives/Rhino 74375 History/America's Greatest Hits Warner Brothers 3110 ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 05 May 2009 at 2:47pm
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now....i just compared the vinyl 45 versus the cd version on the cd below...
(S) (4:10) Rhino 70633 Billboard's Top Rock & Roll Hits Of 1972 and it matches perfectly....it's the correct version with the proper echoing effects during the outro....and it runs true at 4:10 just like the vinyl 45......this info should be noted in the db.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 05 May 2009 at 5:45pm
Thanks for the info, Ed! |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 23 March 2018 at 3:20pm
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The song is not titled "A Horse With No Brain", despite typical conversations at our house.
LP and 45 versions (4:10) The LP and 45 versions were the same. The 45 was in stereo. The opening strums of the acoustic guitar are panned a little to the left. The oldest CD I have with the LP/45 version is Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Freedom Rock (1987). It's from a high-generation tape source here, and sounds a little muffled. Just about all of the CDs below sound better. There's a far better analog transfer on Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1972 (1989), where it runs 4:10. It sounds great here, with low-generation source tapes, great dynamic range, nice EQ, and no hint of noise reduction. There are digital clones on:
I think that JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1970-1974 (1994) uses a different analog transfer of the same source tape as Billboard Top R&R Hits 1972, but has a slightly shorter fade. There are differently-EQ'd digital clones of Only on:
An outlier: Razor & Tie/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Easy '70s (1993) has its left and right channels swapped, and is way too loud and clips a lot. Avoid. Non-hit 1975 remix from History album (4:07) I don't recall if all the tracks on WB's History/America's Greatest Hits, but "Horse" is definitely remixed. To my ears, it sounds better than the original mix. It's not a drastic overhaul, but a subtle improvement. To differentiate from the hit mix, the History has the opening strums of the acoustic guitar centered, rather than panned left. Discogs shows WB's History/America's Greatest Hits as being released on CD in 1987. It sounds quite nice here, runs 4:07, and truncates the tail of the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:
For the hit version, go with Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1972 (1989). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |