billy idol "mony mony" live
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Topic: billy idol "mony mony" live
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: billy idol "mony mony" live
Date Posted: 13 October 2006 at 2:56pm
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pat
the 45's actual running time is 4:08 and not 4:00 as listed on the 45's label... this should be noted in the db ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 1:16pm
| Pat, I have some thoughts on the notation that you currently show for this song. The "Mony Mony" studio v was first released as a single (Chrysalis 2543) in September 1981, and "Bubbled Under", at #107, on Billboard. This actual (3:21) version was taken from the exact same recording as his 1987 DJ 45's "Single Edit", from his debut solo LP, "Don't Stop". The original LP v runs (5:01), but the 1981 45 was more highly edited than the 1987 "Single Edit". Perhaps inspired by what Capitol did for Duran Duran's "Save A Prayer", who also dredged up the old studio v to pair up on the 45 with the song's live v two years earlier, in 1985, Chrysalis chose to do the same thing here. But you currently state that "DJ copies of this 45 ran (4:15), which was called a 'Single Edit' which was not really a single edit because this version was a studio version." Pat, I wish that Chrysalis had instead titled this 1987, (4:15) DJ 45 version something clearer and more specific, like "Edit Of Studio Version", or "New Edit Of Studio Version". But it really IS still a "Single Edit", though, isn't it? The LP v ran longer, at (5:01). The question is, "A Single Edit of WHAT?" Just because it wasn't a "Single Edit" of the live v doesn't mean it's not a "Single Edit" at all, does it? I'm not trying to be difficult here, Pat, I'm only trying to help. And whatever you decide to do with your current song notation for "Mony Mony", I will support it. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 4:11pm
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Most CHR/Top-40 stations played the "single edit" even thought the commercial single AND the video contemporaneously on MTV was the "live" version.
Andy |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 9:28pm
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Does anybody know the edit points for taking the 5 minute version down to the 4:15 DJ version?
I've been digging for the CDs listed in the database, & finally decided it would be easier for me to edit the album version. (Besides the fact that the CDs in the database all seem to be too short!) Can anybody help? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 9:44pm
| If you mean the DJ edit for the studio version, it actually runs 3:21. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 12:12am
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Actually, if you look at the above post, 3:21 was the original 1981 edit of the 5:01 album version; when the live version was released, they put out a less aggressive 4:15 edit of the 5:01 album version.
It's that second, "hit" edit (the one most of the Top-40s of the day were playing in 1987) that I'm looking for the edit points of. I've played & heard the album version so long, I can't remember what should be missing! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 7:40am
| I went huntin' for a promo 45 copy online, all of them contain "Shakin' All Over" as the 'B' side. Odd. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 8:32am
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To eriejwg (John):
They must not be real promo copies; to the best of my knowledge only the commercial copies had "Shakin All Over" as the b-side. Andy |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 4:42pm
The http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/BillyIdol-MonyMonysingleeditstudiov.jpg - 4:15 "Single Edit" was actually designated as the AA side, rather than the B-side. Were there two different 1987 DJ 45s, perhaps? I only have the A/AA copy shown in the label scan. |
eriejwg wrote:Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 4:40pm
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Yah Shure, you have the 4:15 single edit?
Could you post the edit points? This is one I'm having a terrible time getting a copy of... ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 5:29pm
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Gene, I do have the 4:15 single edit 45, but not the longer studio cut, so I can't advise you on the edit points.
However, I can advise you to check your PM box. :) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:15pm
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Just noticed that the Chrysalis promo sampler Audio
Buffet 2 (1987) has both the live version and the 4:15 studio version. Happy to send these out if anyone wants them. Both are pretty hard to come by nowadays. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 8:46pm
| Ron, that specific sampler is exactly where we played the studio version from on-the-air back in 1987 - good that you also own a copy of it. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:23am
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The live remake version of this song is on the CD Rockin' 80's Vol. 2 on the Madacy Entertainment label (1999 release) which is currently not listed in the database. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 9:03am
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Thanks to Yah Shure, I can tell you that to take the 5 minute version down to the 4:15 DJ edit requires only one cut, from 3:13 to 3:54, on the beat.
Yah Shure, thank you for your help in figuring this out, & I hope this info helps someone else! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 28 October 2016 at 2:14pm
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Anyone aware of CDs out there with the original 3:21
edit (preferably pre-mid 90's "loudness war")? |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 18 March 2019 at 5:18am
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Hey everyone,
Is there a consensus on which version Top 40 primarily played in 1987? I traveled around a lot in the northeast and heard the 1981 studio version played all the time in 1987. Only heard the LIVE version on MTV and the occasional American Top 40 countdown (I think). Also the current Idol album at the time, Vital Idol, featured a studio remix. But Joel Whitburn (and the 45 single) suggest that the LIVE version was the hit version. Was it? |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 18 March 2019 at 6:07am
------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 March 2019 at 10:10am
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If you're going by what was on the A side of the commercial 45, then yes, the "Live" version is the hit. Like you, though, I never heard radio play the live version. I think a lot of stations played the flip side of the promo 45, which is the "Single Edit" (of the studio version). ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 19 March 2019 at 4:29am
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I recall hearing the live version quite a bit on the radio
in 1987. Some stations played the studio version, but I certainly considered the live version to be the hit version at the time. |
Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 19 March 2019 at 5:31pm
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My area had two Top 40 stations at the time. The bigger one (#1 in the
market) played the live version. The smaller station played the studio version. I also consider the live version to be the hit. |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 19 March 2019 at 6:58pm
| WLOL-FM in Minneapolis played the Live version in '87--I still have the cassette from when I taped it off the radio. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 19 March 2019 at 7:47pm
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If a classic hits station in your area still plays this
song which version do they play nowadays? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 March 2019 at 8:36pm
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When I hear it occasionally on the local classic hits station, it's the studio version. Also, for what it's worth, TM Century HitDisc 701 (issued in the fall of 1987) only had the studio edit. The live version was finally issued on a GoldDisc several years later in the early '90s. Must've been a case where airplay was split. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 4:42am
Nowadays, it's ONLY the studio version that I hear on the radio (in fact, just heard it on the way home last night!). The "live" version just didn't have much of a shelf life beyond 1987, but it was a hit. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 20 March 2019 at 5:00pm
Right you are Paul. I just heard it yesterday on my radio station and it was the studio version. That is why in a 1987 overview both versions should be included if you are going to be accurate. Even then all I heard was the studio version in the late 80's and early 90's. |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 17 May 2020 at 4:51am
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but:
Has anyone ever tested and confirmed that the studio edit from 1987 (the promo 45 B-side) is an edit of the 1981 original mix? As I can't find a good copy of the B-side version (or "AA" as it was noted above, I believe), I can't judge for myself (strange how certain things don't even pop up on YouTube after so many years), but I was thinking it could be worth considering that the second-issued studio edit might be an edit of the 'Vital Idol' album version, aka the "Downtown Mix", as that compilation was issued in 1987 as well, right around the same time as the "Mony Mony" live single. Would love to find out, if anyone knows for sure. Thank you! |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 05 June 2020 at 10:53am
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If anyone else is curious:
I have obtained the Chrysalis Audio Buffet 2 promo CD from 1987, and have confirmed that the 1987 "Studio Version", as found on that CD and the B-side of the US 1987 promo 45, is an edit of the Vital Idol album version, aka the "Downtown Mix", as opposed to the original 1981 Don't Stop EP version. So, the details for re-creating the '87 studio edit provided by Gene on pg.1 on this thread would be correct, but need to be applied to the remix instead of the 1981 version. (To be very clear, the song structure is not any different from each other between the two versions, but there are some mix differences that you can hear doing an A/B comparison.) The "Downtown Mix" of "Mony Mony" seems to have first appeared on the original overseas versions of the Vital Idol compilation, issued in 1985, and found its way to the US when that compilation was issued here in 1987. The 1981 single edit is a true edit of the Don't Stop EP version. I have provided edit points for that one in this http://www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9300&KW=mony - related thread . Enjoy! |
Posted By: headstar
Date Posted: 10 November 2022 at 3:38pm
I purchased that promo CD years ago and today I ripped (with EAC) an uncompressed WAV of the single edit/studio version and it was flagged as "lossy" (this track is MPEG with probability 95%) by Audiochecker. Other tracks off the promo CD reported similar lossy results. Anyone else with the promo CD got results like these? Not sure how producers in 1987 could sneak in lossy audio in a CD as MP3 wasn't a thing yet. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 10 November 2022 at 4:04pm
Nope, there was no lossy audio in 1987. Sounds like Audiochecker is mistaken. I ran Lossless Audio Checker and it showed all tracks on Audio Buffet 2 as being "clean". I ran Trader's Little Helper on Audio Buffet 2 and it showed CDDA for all tracks except Icehouse's "Crazy" (MPEG with probability 99%) and Paul Carrack's "Don't Shed A Tear" (source cannot be qualified). Looking at the spectrum, nothing looks weird about these two songs. The intros of both of these songs show a hum at 15.625 kHz, from the cathode ray tubes of video monitors. Bottom line: Don't blindly trust the software checkers. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 17 November 2022 at 8:37pm
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As I just reviewed the database and the two threads here, I thought I might condense what I was looking for (and thanks to everybody who helped put this together!):
-- 1981 - original mix (from "Don't Stop" EP) - 5:01 1981 - edit of EP mix - 3:23 1987 - Downtown remix (from "Vital Idol" LP) - 5:00 1987 - edit of Downtown remix - 4:15 1987 - live "hit" remake - 4:08 1987 - Hung Like a Pony Remix - 6:59 1987 - Steel-Toe Cat Dub - 6:50 (never on CD?) 2002 - 2001 live recording (from "VH1 Storytellers") - 4:06 2016 - 2016 live in Council Bluffs (from "BFI Live!") - (length unknown) 2018 - Idol/Stevens Mix (from "Vital Idol: Revitalized" digital release) - 5:41 -- ...did I miss anything? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: EternalStatic
Date Posted: 18 November 2022 at 8:02am
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Thanks for the summary, Gene! FYI, while not available on CD, the "Steel-Toe Cat Dub" is currently available as part of a digital EP called Deep Cuts, released in
2009. |