george michael "faith"
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Topic: george michael "faith"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: george michael "faith"
Date Posted: 18 October 2006 at 7:36pm
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pat
the version from the cd "faith" is the correct 45 version and all the others should be noted as "neither 45 or lp version".....all the other versions start the song about 0:03 later during the very soft intro.....i don't know if they couldn't hear the intro properly or they chose to truncate the intro but the only cd that has the proper 45 version is the cd "faith"....edtop40 ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 9:01pm
| This situation sounds very similar to the one discussed elsewhere on this board recently regarding Rufus & Chaka Khan's "Ain't Nobody". I would agree that the difference with "Faith" is probably significant enough to warrant a notation in the database. My question is, would a (neither the 45 or LP version) be the best comment to use here, or perhaps something a little more specific like (intro fades in :03 later than the LP or 45 version). I'm wondering if a "neither the 45 or LP version" comment in this instance might mislead readers into thinking this is an altogether different version or edit when in reality the only discrepency is the first few seconds of the intro. Anyone else want to weigh in on this? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 9:06pm
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todd...piont taken.....maybe an entry of "neither 45 or lp version" would be too strong of a qualifier..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 19 October 2006 at 9:16pm
| I agree that the "neither" comment could be misleading. Pat usually doesn't designate anything for only a few seconds of fade difference anyhow. I suppose it doesn't matter of the fade is at the beginning or the end. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 7:40am
Very good point, Aaron. So, Pat, what policy do you think should be adopted to determine if a delayed fade-in is significant enough to warrant a comment? |
aaronk wrote:Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 10:09am
| Personally, I would be confused by a "neither" comment, and I would opt for something like "fades in :03 later," as you suggested, Paul. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 July 2010 at 9:05pm
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Was there ever a promo CD or 45 that went past the organ intro and started with the acoustic guitar?
I know sometimes we cued past the organ on-air, but it may have been personal decisions by the jocks at the station I worked at in 1987. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 2:15am
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Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 13 April 2011 at 5:26pm
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FYI: I just noticed on my copy of "Ladies & Gentlemen: The Best Of George Michael" the track contains a full minute of silence once the song "Faith" ends. I ripped the song and listened to it and discovered the dead silence. I should have know something was wrong when the song clocked in at over four minutes. I wonder how many other discs have the same glitch. ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 10 March 2017 at 8:34am
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Mine has it as well, Santi. For some time, I thought it
was an iTunes/CD drive ripping issue on my end, then I went back to re-rip to find out about the dead silence ending. So mine has it as well, it's made in the US. I will check with friends who own the Argentina or Euro verions of the compilation to check for the glitch. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 10 March 2017 at 12:05pm
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To go back to what was mentioned earlier in the thread
about stations, like Jim's, that didn't play the organ portion, TM has the song in their library as "intro edit." I don't have a copy of their file, but I've chopped off the organ on my file and labeled it the same. Mine starts off with the acoustic guitar. To each his own, your mileage may vary. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 10 March 2017 at 11:19pm
This was an intentional mastering decision made in 1998 by George Michael and/or the producers and engineers of the Ladies & Gentlemen compilation project and should be present on all copies the world over. As with Whitney Houston's Greatest Hits collection in 2000, the 2 CD's were themed so that the first, "For The Heart", consisted of George's ballad recordings, while disc 2, "For The Feet", represented his more uptempo/dance hits. To round out the collection, the final track on disc 2 was "Somebody To Love", a ballad. A minute of space was added before it meaning that, when the CD is ripped, it will typically add this break to the end of "Faith". Surely a frustration for those who aren't handy with a digital editor when extracting tracks from the CD, but definitely not a "glitch". |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 10 March 2017 at 11:32pm
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I agree this was an intentional mastering decision. When playing the disc in a CD player, you'll see the track number roll to 14, and then it will count from -0:59 to 0:00 before "Somebody To Love" begins. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 31 March 2017 at 10:38am
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Interesting, thanks for sharing that, do you consider
"Somebody To Love" a ballad? Sounds like an uptempo track to my ears. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 April 2017 at 5:38am
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It's mid-tempo to me. I would also not call it a ballad, but I can see how
it would fit better with the "for the heart" songs. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 03 April 2017 at 10:50pm
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I agree that it fits in on the "For The Heart" disc and mid-tempo
sounds right, still don't get the silence in between tracks as a concept, to separate if from the rest of the tracks on disc 1 because it is not a true ballad? And even so, I don't see the point in adding silence to a track, as opposed to the practice with hidden tracks. "Somebody To Love" is the best one to make the transition to switch to disc 2 "For The Feet", that I do think. |
Posted By: radiofan16
Date Posted: 04 April 2017 at 1:09am
Why did your station have that policy? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 04 April 2017 at 7:16am
Ah, but "Somebody To Love" is the last song on Disc 2, which finishes out the "Feet" disc. It would've been better at the end of Disc 1, like you said, with no space. I guess it didn't fit? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 04 April 2017 at 7:48am
Thanks for noticing that it's on the "Feet" disc! In that case I can only think of what you propose, I don't have the discs with me now but it looks like at 14 tracks both discs, more tracks on "Heart" are longer than on "Feet". |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 04 April 2017 at 11:37am
I can't speak for the station Jim worked at, but as a former music director and the person responsible for carting (or later dubbing into automation) songs at several stations, these soft, fade-in intros just made the station sound loose. OK on a AAA or some other format where formatics were kind of loose anyway but not on a fast-paced format like Top 40. I was always very particular about maintaining consistent intro levels. Yeah, the processing will take care of it to some degree but it still sounded better on the air. |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 10 August 2020 at 9:04pm
I can't imagine hearing an organ on a pop radio station during 1987-1988 would work with the flow of the Top 40 programming.... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: PopArchivist
Date Posted: 10 August 2020 at 9:06pm
I never heard the organ for Faith on the radio. I consider the song to start when the guitar starts. Call it an unofficial edit, but Jim's insight is completely legit in this instance. I am honestly surprised that it didn't appear on a promo or on any compilation that way since its release... ------------- Favorite two expressions to live by on this board: "You can't download vinyl" and "Not everything is available on CD." |
Posted By: jebsib
Date Posted: 11 August 2020 at 5:53am
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My local Top 40 station played the Organ intro for the first two weeks. But
because Faith was a relatively short song, the intro served as a perfect music bed for the jock to talk over and cue up the song. 3 months earlier, the same station also played the endless and cringy intro to Michael Jackson's "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" - which you could NOT talk over. That lasted a week or so. In both cases, the songs were event records, so I think more latitude was given by programming staff. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 08 July 2021 at 2:29pm
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I'm having an extremely difficult time accepting https://www.discogs.com/George-Michael-Faith-12-Dance-Remix/release/12445044 - this entry in Discogs, which claims to be (according to the label on the jacket) a "12" Dance Remix / made from the original master."
I couldn't find another 12" from any other country making this claim. Knowing the song hit the dance charts, how could they have not released this in the United States (and likely elsewhere)? The label doesn't list the time and the poster gives us no insight... so is this a typo and it's actually the LP / single version, or is this some kind of DJ-created bootleg, or did they really release a special dance version of "Faith" only in the Philippines? ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: 75azabache
Date Posted: 09 July 2021 at 11:04am
Isn't this the one GM fans refer to as The Lost remix? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2021 at 11:42am
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Here's another George Michael/Wham Philippines release: https://www.discogs.com/Wham-Featuring-George-Michael-Careless-Whisper-12-Dance-Remix/release/9578988 - https://www.discogs.com/Wham-Featuring-George-Michael-Carele ss-Whisper-12-Dance-Remix/release/9578988
This one also says 12" Dance Remix on the jacket. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 July 2021 at 11:43am
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Another: https://www.discogs.com/George-Michael-Father-Figure-12-Dance-Remix/release/8540998 - https://www.discogs.com/George-Michael-Father-Figure-12-Danc e-Remix/release/8540998 ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 10 July 2021 at 12:03pm
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That is bizarre, Aaron!! You'd think if these things existed they would have ended up on the recent remaster of "Faith."
You'd ALSO think in a global community like ours, SOMEBODY in the Philippines would have posted the audio from these singles so we could confirm or deny they were anything other than the album cuts. Bizarro! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: 995wlol
Date Posted: 10 July 2021 at 2:54pm
My gut says they most likely contain the album version. Otherwise, there WOULD be audio out there at this point. It wouldn't be the first time an LP version has been labeled as a special mix on an old single. |
Posted By: AudioDile
Date Posted: 11 July 2021 at 12:06am
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I'm about 99.99999% certain these are the album versions.
The only mixes of songs from Faith (not counting instrumentals) were for Monkey (by Jam & Lewis) and Hard Day (by Shep Pettibone), and all of them appeared on the deluxe reissue. If there were any other mixes existing, they surely would have been released here. I guess you could count I Want Your Sex, although Part 2 & 3 aren't remixes but just additional versions. There WERE however actual remixes of I Want Your Sex done several years later by the Freemasons. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 11 July 2021 at 7:50am
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Hi people,
Don't forget that back in the 80s occasionally commercial 12 inchers (especially non-US) were simply a re-edited looping of the album version to make it technically an 'extended version'. So possibly the Phillippines George Michael 12-inchers are extended versions, but not commissioned remixes. Andy |