cyndi lauper "money changes everything"
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Topic: cyndi lauper "money changes everything"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: cyndi lauper "money changes everything"
Date Posted: 29 November 2006 at 10:07pm
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pat
the live version of this song is on the A-side of the 45 and runs 4:17 and NOT 4:13 as stated on the 45's label....this should be noted in the db.... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 9:08pm
| I guess this brings up a good question -- which side of this single was the "A" side? I see Joel Whitburn lists the studio version as the "A" side. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 9:26pm
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based on two factors i contend the live verion is the A-side.....number one...the lower matrix number is on the "live" side....live matrix is zss 173126 and the studio side is zss 173127...........secondly.....the 45's picture sleeve states on it's face "money changes everything" cyndi lauper live!!..........and again, this WOULDN'T be the first time whitburn got it WRONG!!!! ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:00pm
| All the top 40 stations where I grew up (Western Massachusetts - I could also tune in Connecticut) played the studio cut. I also don't recall Casey Kasum playing the live version on AT40 (I could be wrong on this) either. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:03pm
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i don't doubt that the studio version got airtime, but we need to work off the commercial 45 release as what was issued as the "single" version, NO? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:10pm
| the review of the single in the 12/22/84 issue of Billboard also made no mention of the cut being pushed as the live version, which you would think they would, eh? Anyhow, perhaps Jim, who was in radio at the time could weigh in on this.... |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:13pm
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good points, BUT..........i stand by my analysis.....i believe the "live" version to be the "official" single version based on my previous statements.....anyone else what to chime in? ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:15pm
| Although the live version was the A-side of the single, I have never heard it on the radio and have always considered the B-side (which is an edit of the LP version) to be the hit. I'm not sure the A-side was even serviced to radio stations. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 10:32pm
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...and to think that I thought the live version was simply a cool non-lp "b" side...
Since Whitburn was mentioned earlier in this thread. His album rock book also considered the studio version the hit (it made #37 on the AOR chart). I would think that radio format would have been more likely to play the live version than Top 40! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:02pm
But what does the 45 label list as the A-side? Or does it? The more of these we encounter, the more I feel like both sides should be considered the "official" single version. Because the video used the live version, and the picture sleeve says "live," I would probably consider the live version to the "hit" version myself. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 30 November 2006 at 11:34pm
| Chuck: I'll do what I can. This is a toughie, for a couple of reasons. First, it only got to #27 BB in 2/85. In 1965, if you had a #27 BB hit, the song got TONS of radio airplay - that wasn't nearly as true by '85. I'm betting about 1/2 of the Top 40 stations in America never even PLAYED that song, and mine was among them. Its big buzz was TONS of heavy-rotation MTV play for that live video. We did strongly consider adding it, and if we did, we would've played the studio version, because I remember WE all thought Lauper's vocals were FAR weaker on the "live" version. Surprisingly, there actually aren't tons of differences between the two, if you listen carefully. We thought that Portrait was probably hawking/marketing the "Live" side: 1) To distract radio from the fact that this was the FIFTH single from her debut LP, "She's So Unusual" (after Girls Just Want To Have Fun, Time After Time, She Bop and All Through The Night,) and 2) To get people who already had the LP to also buy this 45, so her many new fans would spend even more money, for this previously-unavailable live version. All 4 of her previous 45s did great for us, but we judge each individual song on its own merits, and we'd all agreed that "Money...", in EITHER of its versions, just wasn't nearly as strong a track as the other 4 had been. On the promo 45, the studio v was on one side, and the live v was on the other, just like on the commercial 45. Ed, I believe Mr. Whitburn is correct to use the "studio" version as the "hit" side. Here's why. I know about the pic sleeve specifying the "Live" nature of the track - I have it also. And you are also correct about the earlier 45 matrix number; that's a decent (although not flawless) indicator of intended A-sides. But Ed, my first commercial 45 for "Angie" by the Rolling Stones said "Side Two" on it! ("Silver Train" was the label's intended A-side). And, my first stock copy of "Beth" by Kiss says "Side B" on it! ("Detroit Rock City" was the original intended A-side.) Does this mean that Mr. Whitburn is wrong to list "Angie" and "Beth" as the hits? Of course not. My gut here: the MTV watchers of the day consider the video's live v to be the hit, and those who discovered the track either on the radio, or by playing their LP through, consider the studio version to be the hit. The immense success of that LP totally shocked the label, and by this 5th single, much of U.S. radio had had a HUGE track record of success with it. By now, we all knew she'd caught "lightning in a bottle" with this LP. "All Through The Night", the 4th single, had those same whispers, too - all the hits on the LP were now gone - well, they weren't, and that one happened to be an especially strong song for us. As a result, the notion of "Why not go to the well a 5th time, albeit with a "live spin" to it, had its supporters at the label. |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 12:05am
| I could see denoting it as a double "A" side with the "45" picture sleeve promoting the "live" side BUT the other side featuring an edited version of the album version. This would say to me that the label was hedging it's bets on this track. And yes, I did discover this tune by radio - my hometown didn't (and still doesn't) have cable, so no MTV for me in 1985. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 6:45am
| I never heard the live version on the radio back in 1984-85...and I listened to a lot of radio back then, even worked as a DJ/MD at that time. I consider the studio version to be the "hit" version. |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:08am
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What I loved about the '80s is that there were a lot of singles from most hit albums. I loved "Money Changes Everything"...and although maybe not as strong as the other singles from the album, was still a great track.
Here in Canada there was actually a SIXTH single from "She's So Unusual". "When You Were Mine" was released with a picture sleeve and a 4:00 edit in Canada. Never heard it on the radio much, but it's out there! |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 01 December 2006 at 7:35am
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I have both a U.S. and a Canadian 45, and although the U.S. 45 does not specify an 'A' or 'B' side, the Canadian 45 has 'Side One' on the live side and 'Side Two' on the studio side.
It's clear that it was the studio version that made the Billboard Hot 100, though, since the Hot 100 listed 'R. Chertoff' as the producer. Rick Chertoff produced the studio version. The live version was produced by Cyndi Lauper and Lennie Petze. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 9:20pm
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Would anyone be able to provide a file or edit points for the studio version edit of Money Changes Everything?
I'm also looking for a recording of the Boy Blue (Remix). Any help is much appreciated! :) |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 12 April 2007 at 10:13pm
| I can send you the remix of Boy Blue. |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 8:31am
| Thanks! Sent you a PM. :) |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 09 May 2007 at 6:52pm
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hey guys.....any further thoughts on which side, the studio or live, should be considered the A-side??
can we take a vote?? i vote for the "live" version as the A-side ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 10 May 2007 at 6:03am
| Sorry Ed, but I was there and very tuned-in to Top 40 radio at the time and I never once heard or played the live version on the radio. The only place to see/hear it was on MTV (or if you actually bought the single). I'd consider the live version to be the "video version". |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 6:39am
| This is a case in which I would make a distinction between the 'A' side and the 'hit' side. The live version is the 'A' side because of the info on the sleeve, the lower matrix number, and the fact that the Canadian 45 (which has the same label number and sleeve) does explicitly indentify it as 'Side One'. But the studio version is the 'hit' side because it's the only version anyone remembers hearing on the radio and because it's the version that charted in Billboard (as evidenced by the Hot 100's production credit to 'R. Chertoff'). |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 10:18am
| While a single's A-side does contain the correct hit version 98-99% of the time, there are exceptions and I would have to say one applies here with Cyndi Lauper's "Money Changes Everything" because I concur that the studio version is the one I've always heard played on radio. There are other B-sides in Top 40 history that have clearly contained the "hit" side... One that immediately comes to mind is Paul McCartney's "Coming Up". The 45 A-side contains the studio version, while the B-side features the "live in Glasgow" version. I think it's safe to say the "live" version is how everybody remembers hearing the song on the radio and therefore should be considered the "hit" version. Meanwhile there are other commercial 45 B-sides that have gone on to become the clear-cut "hit" side, such as Jimmy Dean's "Big Bad John", Righteous Brothers' "Unchained Melody", and Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive". |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 11:03am
| Speaking of live versions on one side and studio versions on the other side -- which side is considered the hit version of Deep Purple's "Smoke On the Water" -- the studio side or live side? I remember hearing both versions on the radio back then (even though I may have heard the live version more). |
Posted By: cmmmbase
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 5:02pm
| a non top 40 example of the b-side of a single being the hit/chart hit: Depeche Mode's "Behind The Wheel/Route 66" Medley - this was the B side to "Behind The Wheel" |
Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:17am
A more recent one that comes to mind is Kix's "Don't Close Your Eyes" from 1989. The picture sleeve clearly states "Get it While It's Hot" a the "hit", with "Don't Close Your Eyes" as the B-side. I believe this was also mentioned on "American Top 40" at least once at the time the song was a hit. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 28 June 2014 at 11:12pm
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There are three edit points to take the studio LP version to the 7" studio single version. I'm using the version from the "She's So Unusual" CD.
#1 - Take out 8 seconds between 2:55 & 3:02, editing on the snare. #2 - With what you have left, take out 8 seconds between 3:01 & 3:09, editing on the snare. #3 - with what you have left, take out 44 seconds between 3:05 & 3:49. Leaving the original LP fade, you should end up with a file which runs 4:05... Closer to 4:01 when you delete the silence at the end. http://youtu.be/LPoIDVB6_40 - This video claims the radio edit ran even shorter than the single. It edits the commercial single version at about 1:24 & 3:02... if anybody can confirm this WAS an official radio edit, I'll find and post the exact edit points. ...And, just to stir the pot: I remember hearing the live version on one of the top 40s in Tulsa (KELI). I remembered I didn't like it BECAUSE it was live. Then again, their slogan was "The Music You See On MTV" so it may have been a conscious decision to play the version in the video... ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 29 June 2014 at 6:22pm
The http://www.45cat.com/record/wb7710 - promo copy listed the studio version as the plug side, though the live version got most of the airplay around here. |
Posted By: Loveland
Date Posted: 11 March 2016 at 12:55pm
| The Live Version was definitely the single version. This version was also used for the music video. |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 12 March 2016 at 1:59am
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I recall seeing the live version on MTV but hearing the
studio version on the radio. This reminds me of other cases where airplay vs. what's on the 45 didn't match up. Famous examples would be "The Safety Dance" and most definitely Idol's "Mony Mony - Live" .. ha, the only time I EVER heard that live version in 1987 was on the AT40 countdown. All stations in NY played the studio version which had been the hit on AOR since '81. MM |
Posted By: Underground Dub
Date Posted: 13 March 2016 at 12:54pm
| ^ And wasn't there a bit of a reversal for Paul McCartney's "Coming Up" where radio favored the live b-side while the a-side and video were the studio recording? |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 13 March 2016 at 3:41pm
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For "Coming Up" Yes the live b-side was the hit, as Todd
mentioned in an older post above. But in that case it actually charted as "Coming Up (Live At Glasgow)"...Whitburn even lists the studio version as the B-side, even though when I bought the 45 it looked pretty apparent to me and the world that the studio was the originally intended a-side. I'm glad the live was the hit, sounded way better to me. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 24 March 2016 at 4:56am
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Jim's post on page one of this strings sums it up about
"Money Changes Everything". NEITHER side was really a hit. I recall that Epic didn't care which side that you played, just that you played it. I didn't play either side. I'm glad I wasn't programming against Jim! |