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Topic: free--all right now
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: free--all right now
Date Posted: 22 March 2005 at 9:37pm
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can anyone verify if the cd "island story 1962-87" contains
the 45 version of "all right now" by free that runs 4:14 in length? ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 23 March 2005 at 5:16am
| Yeah, Pat verifies it in his book, which has a whole write-up about all the different running times of this song. According to him, it's 4:12 on "The Island Story." |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 6:23pm
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I just widdled down my 5:30+ mix from a TMCentury library down to the 4:12 mix. The mix is a little off - I think the vocals aren't as prominent on my CD.
But in any case, FYI, you can match the long version to the short one by cutting from 2:01 to 2:19, and from 3:35 to 4:23, and fading at the original 5:00 point to 5:18. |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 7:25pm
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The original 45 of this was weird....over the years i've seen 3 different stock labels for this one.... one said Mono, one said Compatible Stereo, one said Stereo. I don't believe the one that said mono actually was, but i also think one of the three had a different edit or playing time than the others, but i never had all 3 at any one time (or even 2 of the three). I never even thought about it until years later when I found out that the 45 was an edited version. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Gary Mack
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 8:48pm
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The original mono/stereo A&M promo 45 shows a 4:14 run time for both sides, but I haven't timed them to check.
GM |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 9:59pm
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Hi people,
Please don't forget the 45 was a completely different mix than the LP. Rhythm guitar parts were rerecorded, A temple block was replaced with a cowbell, vocal was mixed louder, etc. I believe most commercial singles were Haeco-CSG mastered, while the stereo promos were not. Also most promos in the USAwere further edited down from the 4:14 (excising half of the lead guitar solo). The "Island Story" contains the correct commercial single mix/edit without the nasty Haeco-CSG processing (but contains just a little bit of "undecoded Dolby" artifacts). Andy |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 10:14pm
| Then, what's the version on Time Life "Sounds Of The 70s"? The promo? That's the one that got played on the radio and is what I thought was the single version I recall. It runs about 3:49. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 26 April 2006 at 10:35pm
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Hi Grant,
Isn't the "Sounds Of The 70s" version an edit of the LP mix? Is there a place I can hear a sample? Andy |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 5:17am
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Didn't Pat mention something about reissue 45s of "All Right Now" running (3:48)? That time jibes with the Sounds of the Seventies 1970 CD, but whether the reissue 45 has the LP mix edited down or the 45 mix edited down I don't know. The CD edited down the LP mix. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 8:18am
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i've a/b'ed the 2 and the 45 is identical to the version from the "island" 2 cd set.........and runs 4:14.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 10:49am
| sriv94, the 3:48-ish reissue version came out in 1975, b/w "The Stealer". A&M tried to drum up some new radio interest, and capitalize on the new-found success of Free's successor group (Bad Company) by putting out an entire LP, Best Of Free. That 1975 45 version was an edit of the 4:14 45 version, not the LP. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 11:10am
Good to know. So the Time-Life version isn't the reissue 45, it's an edit of the LP version in an attempt to simulate the reissue 45. A&M put out a CD single with a (3:35) version, which was also edited from the LP version. The question now is whether that's one of the DJ edits or if it's another incorrect edit. And call me Doug--almost everyone else does. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
jimct wrote:Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 12:53pm
| Doug (and sorry about that): There's more than one T/L V/A CD with an "All Right Now" version with around that running time. I pulled out my T/L "Sounds Of The Seventies - 1970" to check for ya - within 5 seconds I could tell it was a bogus edit of the LP version. The dead giveaway is always after the first 4 notes of the song, (which is repeated throughout), A single, sparse, guitar note follows on all LP mixes (as well as the edit I just heard.) All 45 mixes have a much busier, quick-10-strum guitar part there, again repeated throughout. The 1970 4:14 stock/promo mix is the source audio for BOTH the 3:12 1970 DJ 45 (listed as "2:70" as a wisecrack to combat radio's request for a version under 3 minutes) and the 1975 re-issue (which is EXACTLY 3:42 - just checked.) NO 45 on this put out between '70 & '75 EVER used the LP mix at all, and are always bogus when found on any CD in edited form. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 27 April 2006 at 1:22pm
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Not a problem, Jim, and thanks for the knowledge.
I have a CD with a (4:15) version of "All Right Now," but the mix is a little punchier than what I remember the 45 being (again, not having vinyl or a turntable at my disposal is a disadvantage here). It's an import called Pop Dreams and Rocktracks - The Earthquake Album. Not sure if the version is the actual 45 mix, or if it's a remix (maybe someone here can shed some light). I also have the aforementioned SotS - 1970 CD, with the LP edit. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Grant
Date Posted: 17 May 2006 at 10:28pm
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I just picked up an A&M Memories 45 reissue of the song,time listed at 4:14, and it's the album version edited like the commercial 45.
I also found an commercial A&M 45 marked MONO with a time listed as 2:70(!) on the label, but runs 4:14! It also sounds like a CSG compatible mastering but not marked as such. What a WEIRD situation! |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 18 May 2006 at 7:43pm
| Thanks to Jim for the clear explanation as to the 45 version vs LP version differences. I have gone through the database and made additional comments regarding the "unsuccessful attempts at recreating the various reissue 45 versions". You will find several cd's listed in the database that do feature the true 45 version of the commercial 45. Oddly enough, the reissue 45 that runs (3:32) is just an edit of the LP version and not an edit of the 45 version. |
Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 6:36pm
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There was a lot of conversation on this record on a Carpenters string so I figured I'd move what I know to this one. Here's what was being discussed:
AndrewChouffi MusicFan If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Free's single mix of "All Right Now" Haeco-CSG processed on the A&M commercial 45, but NOT CSG processed on the stereo side of the DJ edit-of-single-mix 45? Andy Back to Top Yah Shure MusicFan Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 Posted: 09 April 2008 at 6:07am | IP Logged ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- Andy, I don't have the 4:14 DJ 45 of A & M 1206. My copy is the mono/mono edit with the "2:70" stated running time (a warm-up, perhaps, to the 2:98 stated time on the group's 1973 non-charter "Wishing Well" [Island 1212].) I also have the 1975 non-CSG stereo DJ 45 reissue (A & M 1720) from the Best Of Free LP with a stated time of 3:30. Back to Top AndrewChouffi MusicFan Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 256 Posted: 09 April 2008 at 8:23am | IP Logged ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- Hi 'Yah Shure', I don't believe there was a 4:14 DJ 45 of "All Right Now". There was only the '2:70' edit-of-the-single-mix (but I'm pretty sure there was a stereo/mono copy too [although my memory could be playing tricks on me]). The 1975 DJ 45 reissue was an edit of the LP mix, I believe. Could you please check for me? The single mix has a more energetic rhythm guitar riff & prominant cowbell, the LP mix has a simpler rhythm guitar part & a temple block. Andy Back to Top Yah Shure MusicFan Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 Posted: 09 April 2008 at 5:19pm | IP Logged ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- Hi Andy, The 1975 DJ 45 is, interestingly, the 45 mix with an actual time of 3:44. I don't have the Best Of Free LP, which leads me to ask: which version is on that LP? -------------------------------------------------------- Cahill comments: OK here's what I have: I agree that the 1975 promo 45 released to promote the Best Of Free album IS the 45 mix, (I have it), but the run time is not 3:30 as stated on the label but runs 3:44 as already noted. It makes the guitar section edit that the 2:70 version makes but runs longer. There was a 4:14 stereo/mono promo 45 (I have it) and the stereo side has CSG etched in the trail wax. Bill |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 7:33pm
| Thanks, Bill! |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 09 April 2008 at 8:16pm
I never really paid attention to that fact until Bill Cahill revived this thread! Good info, Jim! ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 4:46pm
Yes there was: 
One of these days I'll scan a record and actually have it lined up properly. :-/ Years ago I had a stock copy showing the "2:70" time on the label, but it was the 4:14 version, not the edit. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 5:21pm
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Thanks for the scans, Hykker! Might as well repost these from the Carpenters thread:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/Free-AllRightNow197075.jpg - Label scans I A/B'd the above 45s with my promo copy of the Fire And Water LP, and you can tell the difference between the 45 and LP mixes on the very first note. They're that different. |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:15pm
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Thanks Bill & Hykker for letting me know that there was a 4:14 promo!; I have only seen the 2:70 version at record shows over the years & I had only heard the 2:70 version on top-40 radio (& the album mix on "progressive rock" stations) when it was a current.
Andy |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 13 June 2008 at 2:57pm
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my 45 issued as a&m 1206 is listed as in stereo and indeed is a stereo recording with a listed and running time of 4:14.....i only mention this because brian found another cd that has this 45 version......BUT.....the version on that cd is slightly longer....if you fade out the last 0:02 you'll be able to replicate the true 45 version......
I was wading through the old thread about Free's "All Right Now," and I discovered I have a version that runs an actual 4:15 on an Australian import called "Flower Power." (That's the same CD where I got the mono mix of Frigid Pink's "House of the Rising Sun.") Doug mentioned he has a 4:15 version on an import as well, but thought it sounded punchier than the 45.  ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 13 June 2008 at 9:06pm
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MY commercial copy is the same as shown on the MONO version shown above. That version is indeed a different recording than the album version. It is now on CD. ------------- |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 11 January 2012 at 11:37pm
| I just want to make sure I have this straight regarding Free's "All Right Now"... Do ALL commercial 45 copies from 1970 contain the 4:13 version? And were all commercial 45 pressings issued in stereo, or were some pressed in mono as well? |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 12 January 2012 at 6:02am
Curiously, what's the difference between the 2:70 and the (apparently re-issued) 3:30 version? Are they both the 45 mix? There is an edit of this song on a promo-only LP called "A&M Forget Me Nots", which is an attempt to re-create the radio edit using the album mix. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 12 January 2012 at 6:41am
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All Ochre label pressings of this were 4:13. Caveat. The
commercial 45 single was released with the Haeco-CSG system which made it phasey sounding. The original promo 45 single did not have Haeco-CSG. Find a promo if you can. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 January 2012 at 9:28pm
Yes, they're both the 45 mix. Aside from the mono/stereo difference, the 2:70 mono DJ 45 (actual 3:12) and the 3:30 (actual 3:45) 1975 reissue on A&M 1720 are identical, save for an earlier fade on the former. The edit of the LP mix found on the 1977 promo-only Forget Me Nots double LP is the shortest LP mix vinyl version I've found. Listed time is 4:14, but the actual time is only 3:31. The edit of the guitar solo is also four seconds shorter than the corresponding edited guitar solo on the two 45s mentioned in the above paragraph. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 12 January 2012 at 9:39pm
Mine actually runs 4:12, just to add to the confusion. :) But it appears that all commercially-available 1970 US 45s - including those erroneously labeled as "2:70 MONO" - played the stereo 4:14-ish recording. Grant mentions above that his commercial 2:70 mono copy is like the one pictured at the top of this page, but on the thread's first page, he mentioned that it actually played the 4:14 stereo. I'm guessing he meant that the *label* looked like the one pictured above (a Monarch pressing, more likely to show up in Arizona.) |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 16 January 2012 at 4:51pm
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In order to help make sense of the dizzying proliferation of U.S. A&M "All Right Now" vinyl releases, I thought it might help to summarize the details visually. Here is a http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/AllRightNowcomparison.jpg - comparison based on the actual timings of the vinyl versions I have. All were individually recorded to sound editor (Sound Forge) to ensure timing accuracy (actual times are listed on the visual.)
The variations shown in the visual, in chronological order of release: (A) Fire And Water LP, DJ copy, 1970 (B) A&M 1206 commercial 45, 1970 (C) A&M 1206 DJ 45 "2:70" edit, 1970 (D) A&M 8550 Forget Me Nots reissue 45 "specs" label, circa 1972 (E) A&M 1720 reissue 45 Best Of Free tie-in, DJ copy, 1975 (F) A&M 8550 Forget Me Nots reissue 45 "finger" label, 1977 (G) A&M Forget Me Nots promo-only LP, 1977 (H) A&M 8550 Memories reissue 45, circa 1986 Notes: (B) Also corresponds to original 4:14 mono/stereo DJ 45. Reported times range from 4:12 to 4:14. As it turned out, this was the sole vinyl issue of the longest version of the 45 mix. Commercial 45s were all encoded with HAECO-CSG, which was (thankfully) dropped on all further "All Right Now" reissues. (C) Some commercial 45s were erroneously issued with "2:70 MONO" labels, but all reports indicate the records themselves played the standard 4:14 stereo version found on all other commercial copies of A&M 1206. Only the "2:70 MONO" DJ 45 contained the actual edited version. (D) First reissue 45, and the debut appearance of the 3:45 edit. (D), (E) and (F) are ALL IDENTICAL. (E) Released as a current-line single tie-in to the then-new Best Of Free LP in 1975, A&M 1720 was basically a re-badging of the already-in-print, 45 mix/edit Forget Me Nots reissue 45, save for its mention of the new LP. However, the actual album contained the LP version of the track. (G) In a 180-degree flip from the usual 45-promotes-the LP marketing strategy, this promo-only double-LP was issued to promote the revamped 1977 Forget Me Nots reissue 45 catalog. Ironically, the version of "All Right Now" on the Forget Me Nots LP differed considerably from the actual Forget Me Nots reissue 45 it was intended to promote. Sound familiar? (H) I don't know the release date of the Memories reissue 45. The pictured copy came from the library of an oldies station which switched to the format in 1986. Surprise! This copy contains the full 5:29 LP version! Grant had posted upthread that his Memories reissue 45 contained an edit of the LP mix, so there are apparently multiple variations of the Memories reissue single in circulation. The "guitar solo" times shown on the visual represent the interval on the 45 mix between the initial guitar solo edit and the resumption of the "All Right Now" refrain. To match that with the LP mix, the same interval begins with the "it's all right, now" line (which corresponds to the beginning of the 45's initial guitar solo edit) to where the song's signature riff resumes. The primary intent here is to note the differing lengths of the 45 mix's guitar solo lengths. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 16 January 2012 at 9:51pm
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Wow! Thanks for this awesome summary and history of the releases! ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 6:05pm
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Only thing is, the A&M 1720 press has a 1972 copyright date on the label, not 1975... did it really come out 3 years later than it states on the label? If it actually is from 1972 I'm wondering if it might have actually come out ahead of the first Forget Me Nots reissue.... ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:38pm
Yes, A&M 1720 was released in 1975. Copyright dates do not necessarily correlate to release dates. Consider the following: 1. Catalog numbers of A&M's current-line 45s were generally in the 1300 to early 1400 range during 1972. The 1700 series did not appear until 1975. 2. A&M DJ 45s issued in 1972 would have still appeared on the label with the large red "A&M" logo to the left of the center hole. 3. A&M changed its familiar "ochre" 45 and LP label design to a silver "fade" design at the end of 1973, with the newer labels appearing as existing supplies of the older labels were used up. Promo record labels also changed at the same time. The DJ 45 label design used on A&M 1720 is this newer design. 4. The very next 45 in A&M's 45 sequence - 1721 - was "Solitaire" by Carpenters, which charted in August of 1975. 5. The Best Of Free LP was released in 1975. It did not exist in 1972. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 23 January 2012 at 11:42pm
| Thanks, Yah Shure, for helping sort through this mess. My headache is starting to go away now! :-) |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 24 January 2012 at 5:09pm
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Thanks, Yah Shure.... I'll make a note of that on my sleeve for my copy of that promo. This is one of the reasons I like this board...since I wasn't around when these issues came out, I learn all sorts of interesting things about them decades later.. ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 05 September 2020 at 12:30pm
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I identified seven different versions of the song in existence. I will document everything here, so that I never have to revisit this song ever again.
LP version (5:31) I found a few different analog transfers for the LP version. The oldest one that I have is on Priority's Seventies Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 7 Rough And Rowdy (1991), which is a little compressed/limited. It's probably based on A&M's Free collection Best Of, but I can't confirm. The same analog transfer is used on:
There's another analog transfer on Polydor's 4-CD Classic Rock Box (1992). The same analog transfer is used on:
45 version (4:13) The 45 is an entirely different mix, with lots of parts rerecorded from the LP version. It's on Island's 2-CD Island Story (1987), and a few other more recent collections that I don't have. Non-hit reissue 45 version (3:43) This version first appeared around 1972 on A&M reissued 45s, and also appeared on a 1975 promo 45 that promoted the Best Of Free vinyl LP. (Much credit to Yah Shure for posting this info above.) The reissue 45 version uses the 45 mix. It edits the solo of the commercial 45 version and runs out to the full length of commercial 45. This version does not appear on CD. Promo 45 version (released to radio in 1970 concurrent with commercial 45) (3:12) The promo 45 version uses the 45 mix. It's just the reissue 45 version faded early from 3:06 to 3:12. This version does not appear on CD. Non-hit 1989 Bill Inglot edit of LP version (3:49) This is an edit of the LP version, which first appeared on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 1 1970 (1989). Bill Inglot's name appears in the CD credits, so I'll attribute the edit to him, even if he wasn't the one who actually made the edit. This version edits the solo (I didn't check to see if the edit is really the same as what's done on the 45; I suspect that it isn't), and fades slightly early compared to the LP version fade. The following discs use the same analog transfer as Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 1 1970 (1989):
This version appeared on a 1975 A&M promotional album called Forget Me Nots to promote a series of rerelease 45s. (Even more credit to Yah Shure for posting this info above.) It's just Bill Inglot's 1989 edit of the LP version faded early from 3:26 to 3:33. Miraculously, this version does appear on CD. I have it on:
This is a drastically remixed version that turned out to be a UK hit in 1991. It's not subtle. I have it on:
For the LP version, I guess you'll be fine with Polydor's 4-CD Classic Rock Box (1992), or (I'm guessing) A&M's single-artist Best Of. For the 45 version, go with Island's 2-CD Island Story (1987). If you must own any of the other versions, go with whatever you can find. Keep in mind that I only listed info for CDs that I own. There are plenty of discs out there that I don't own. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 09 September 2020 at 7:49pm
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At one time I had a promo copy of "All Right Now"
reissued in 1975 for the Greatest Hits Release. It stated 3:30 on the label, but timed at 3:15! A year later ran a friend had a promo copy from the same time period that ran 3:30! I'm sure of the time because I played it on the College Station I worked at the time. Did anyone else have a copy like that? I got rid of the copy years ago, sorry to say. But always stuck in my head! |
Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 2:45pm
| OK Guys, I need to know what I missed and what I might have done wrong. I've got the radio edit that Ron provided - the one that says it's an early fade of the 45 (on Island). But when I tried to recreate it, I found a big chunk of the 45 had been edited (appx 2:35.8-3:03.67). When I removed that and faded from 3:06-3:12 it ended up matching beautifully, but it wasn't just a fade. I don't have the actual promo 45. Anybody know what I missed? |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 17 September 2020 at 6:37pm
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Robert - The promo 45 is an early fade of the non-hit reissue 45, not the hit 45. The non-hit reissue 45 edits the solo of the hit 45.
I know, clear as mud. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 23 September 2020 at 2:36pm
Robert, if you like I will send you the mono promo, stereo promo and 1970 single edit so you can see where the differences are. |
Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 23 September 2020 at 4:06pm
| I'd like that, Gary, thanks. I thought I had a promo 45 but apparently not. It'd be good to see what the differences are. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 30 April 2022 at 12:03pm
I also have this Flower Power 2CD set. I just picked it up from a Discogs member in Australia. I have to admit, it sure has a LOT of cowbell! Also I'm hearing a lot more reverb over the whole mix. To me, the vocals sound more solo'ish. And at one point I can hear some band chatter, unlike the US version. Is it possible that it's this version? (Quoting crapfromthepast below:) "Non-hit (in US) 1991 Bob Clearmountain remix (4:18) This is a drastically remixed version that turned out to be a UK hit in 1991. It's not subtle." This is the second song from this Flower Power collection I'm posting about this weekend. As with the Joe Cocker tune, "The Letter", This sounds more like a live mix. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 12 May 2022 at 8:23pm
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To get the original mix on 45 without CSG, you must buy
Island import 45 RPM singles. Or find the A&M Mono promo only 45. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |