dan hartman "i can dream about you"
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Topic: dan hartman "i can dream about you"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: dan hartman "i can dream about you"
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 5:12pm
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pat/board members
does anyone know if any of the cds in the db that claim to have the 45 version, does truely contain the 45 version....the 45 version starts with a cymbal tap in the left channel, right before the drum intro...i just bought the cd "pure 80's hits" and it does NOT contain the cymbal tap......there seems to be a few cds claiming to have the 45 length version, does anyone have any of these cds so they can be reviewed.... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 6:07pm
| Good catch, Ed! I also have it on Pure 80s Hits, and I never noticed that the first cymbol tap was missing. My copy of Forever 80s does include the cymbol tap at the beginning; however, it is the full LP length. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:18pm
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And just to confirm, Ed, your single is a fade of the LP length and not an edit, correct? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 01 February 2007 at 8:34pm
| I can verify that the single is a fade of the LP length. |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 11:47am
| The only other CD I see listed in the database as having the "45 length", Rock On 1984, is also missing the opening cymbal tap. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 11 March 2007 at 10:21pm
| According to the database, the 45 length of "I Can Dream About You" is 3:49, while the LP length is 4:09. There are several CDs though where the song's run time is listed at 4:21. Does the track simply run :32 longer than the 45 and :12 longer than the LP, or is this a different version of some kind? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 10:37am
| Just wanted to bump this thread back to the forefront since there were no explanations as to why some CD appearances of "I Can Dream About You" have a 4:21 run time. My guess is that it's an extended version, but can anyone verify for sure? |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 6:49pm
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This may be irrelevant to the discussion, but my promo 45 has two versions - one side has the guitar solo, and I believe the other has a sax solo in its place or in addition to guitar. My copy is buried in storage at the moment, but I wonder whether this alternate mix is longer?
This sounds like a question for Jim - any ideas? |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 7:03pm
| The (4:21) version is neither the 45 nor LP version as it has a :12 longer introduction than the 45 and LP. And no Eric, this (4:21) version is not found on either side of the dj 45. |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 8:00pm
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Slightly off-topic, but does anyone remember the video for this song? It had a completely different vocal than the LP/45 version.
Does anyone know if this version has made it to CD? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 27 June 2009 at 7:46pm
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I noticed that the database doesn't have the promo 45 info included (regarding the "sax solo" version). Also, the US 12" single has a (4:23) listed version on it. It would make sense that the (4:21) versions on CD are probably this version. Can anyone confirm?
Roscoe, regarding the video, I looked on YouTube and Universal's official video for this states "Relaid Audio" in the description. So, apparentely they replaced the original video's audio track before posting on YouTube. Another video on YouTube appears to be an exerpt from the Streets Of Fire movie. I had never heard this version, but it's not sung by Dan Hartman. It's sung by the R&B group in the movie, who are called the Sorels. I'm assuming that the original Dan Hartman video didn't include this vocal take; however, it doesn't hurt to ask. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 2:44pm
| Good thought Aaron but the (4:21) versions found on cd are not the 12" single version. |
Posted By: Martin
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 5:10pm
| Hi Everybody I Have The Pro Audio Usa INC Gold Trax and on Lite Gold 19 Track Number 1, is I Can Dream About You, the running time is 3:51. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 28 June 2009 at 9:09pm
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Not sure if I can fill in any more detail than what's already been said, but thought I'd share what I have.
My commercial 45 has a printed an actual time of 3:51. It starts with the little cymbal in the left channel, has a guitar solo (no sax anywhere), runs 113.0 BPM throughout, and has a roughly 32-beat fade from the downbeat on the word "dream" at 3:33 to about 3:49 (maybe a little longer than 32 beats to the end of the fade). I have the Streets Of Fire soundtrack on CD, and it's the same beginning/solo/mix as the 45, only with a later fade. It also runs 113.0 BPM throughout. It runs 4:09, with a 32-beat fade from 3:49 to about 4:07 (maybe a little longer than 32 beats). The 45 length first appeared on Time-Life's Heart Rock 2-CD set (1988), which runs about 3:51. It's missing the opening cymbal tap in the left channel, and it's a little muffled, as if it's from a high-generation tape. It, too, runs at 113.0 BPM throughout. The version on Madacy's Rock On 1984 (1996) is digitally exactly 2 dB louder than Heart Rock. The LP length has the good fortune to be on three different discs mastered by Steve Hoffman - all sound great. The version on Sandstone's Rock The First Vol. 5 (1992) runs 4:09, and 113.0 BPM throughout. Mystic Music Presents Cool Rock (1995) is digitally identical to Rock The First. The collections Starland Music Presents Lost In Love (1994), Time-Life's Body Talk - Sealed With A Kiss, and Simitar's Love Rocks Vol. 6 - Hot Nights Dim Lights (1998) aren't digital clones, but are very similar in sound quality to Rock The First. The version on Sandstone's Cosmopolitan Vol. 4 (1992) runs 4:08, and 113.0 BPM throughout. The version on Razor & Tie's Forever '80s (1994) runs 4:10, and 113.0 BPM throughout. Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - The Mid-'80s (1996) is a differently-EQ'd clone of Forever '80s. There's a slightly slower version, running 112.5 BPM throughout, on Priority's The 80's Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 6 - Agony & Ecstasy (1993), running 4:09. The versions on JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll 1980-1984 (1994) and Cornerstone Promotions Presents Touched By Love (1997) aren't digital clones but have very similar sound. The version on Swaitek's The "A" List (1994) has the opening cymbal, has a guitar solo, runs 3:51 and 113.0 BPM throughout. The fade starts and ends in the same places as the 45, but has a slightly different shape so that it appears to start a little later than the true 45 - no big deal. All of the above versions have a guitar solo and no sax whatsoever. Finally, there's the "Remixed by Larry Levan" 5:58 version that turns up on Dan Hartman's Keep The Fire Burnin' CD from 1994. It runs about 3% slower (at 109.6 BPM), and is an entirely different mix than all of the above. This version has a sax solo in it, which leads me to think that any version with sax on it is an edit of this version. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 6:30pm
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The database indicates (for "I Can Dream About You"):
(5:58) Chaos/Columbia 53222 Keep The Fire Burnin' (12” single version) But MMathews has the actual vinyl 12" single, and it runs 7:31. So I think the database listing is wrong. Can anyone say how the 7:31 12" remix version (on vinyl) differs from the "Keep the Fire Burnin'" CD version which clocks in at 5:58? And unless the 12" actually contains a 5:58 version and a 7:31 version, the database is wrong to indicate "Keep the Fire Burnin'" contains the 12" version? Still, I'd like to know what version is on the "Keep the Fire Burnin'" CD. |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 7:33pm
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I have the 12" single and here's what's listed:
Side 1 5:56 remixed by Larry Levan Side 2 7:31 remixed by John "Jellybean" Benitez |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 7:56pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDc8hubrt18 - 7:31 version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWnw4swLu3M - 5:56 version |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 08 November 2010 at 8:17pm
| Thanks for the clarification. Has the 7:31 12" mix ever appeared on a CD? |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 7:45am
| http://www.discogs.com/Various-1280sLove/release/1283564 - http://www.discogs.com/Various-1280sLove/release/1283564 |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:16am
| Interesting. I just checked out about 6 CDs in this series. Even on those discogs pages, all volumes are criticized for mislabeled mixes. The label is Family Recordings (UK). Has anyone bought anything on this label and know whether they do a lot of vinyl transfers or use tape sources? |
Posted By: mainrhythm
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 9:23am
| Yea, I'd also like to know about their sound quality before spending the $$. |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 09 November 2010 at 5:11pm
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The Larry Levan mix is just painful. The heavy emphasis on bass drags the song down. I've always preferred the Jellybean mix.
The Jellybean mix is on a Unidisc CD single from back in the 90s that also included Heaven Must be Missing an Angel by Tavares. The mix on the 12"/80s LOVE compilation is an ENTIRELY different mix. It has an acapella intro and completely out of control bass in the mix--I actually think it may be some sort of re-edit of the Larry Levan mix because it has a lot of the same percussion fills as well. Unfortunately, the 12"/80s series never offers any kind of liner notes or credits, so I don't know where they dug this mix up. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 03 February 2018 at 11:33pm
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Wanted to bring this topic back as Hykker was kind
enough to send a dub of the 3:49 short solo version. According to Steve, "Both long solo and short solo run exactly the same length, and are identical until 2:39 where the short solo returns to vocals, the instrumental bridge continues on the long solo." Thought I would take the LP version to match the short solo. If you remove from 2:37.4 to 2:54.389 of the LP version and fade the LP version at the end on "I can Dream" at 3:49, everything matches up. So, is the short solo the same as the commercial 45 length? If not, then are the 3:49 versions available already just the LP version faded early? ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 12:46pm
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I just came across another thread that
talks about this song. It appears the short solo version is an edit and is unique to the DJ 45 Whereas the existing 3:49 versions in the database are actually the LP version faded early. If you want the short solo version, it is editable from the LP version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 18 June 2018 at 3:52pm
From what I can now gather from budaniel, MMathews, and Mainrhythm, there are 3 extended versions of "I Can Dream About You" * Jellybean Mix 7:31 (available on Unidisc CD single) * Larry Levan Mix 5:58 (available on vinyl only) * John Morales Mix (also called "M&M Extended Remix") 7:39 (available on at least 2 CDs - "Dance Classics Best Of Vol. 1" (2 CD set, Universal), from Netherlands, which I have and 12"/80s Love - 3 CD set, Family Recordings, market by Universal Records) I like the Jellybean and John Morales mixes pretty evenly (although I lowered the bass on the Morales mix because I agree with budaniel that is was too loud. After remastering, though, I found this mix quite enjoyable). Does anyone have the Unidisc CD single of the Jellybean mix and perhaps can send me a WAV? If not, can anyone provide more details, like label #, the way the CD single is titled (or even a link to it)? I'd sure love to get this on CD or WAV. The Larry Levan mix (which is definitely different from the John Morales/M&M Extended Remix) is my least favorite and agree with budaniel and MMathews about that! UPDATE: I just found the CD single on ebay and purchased it, so I don't need the catalog #, description (or a WAV.) |
budaniel wrote:Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 18 June 2018 at 3:58pm
| Oh and does anyone know when the John Morales mix (M&M Extended Remix) was first released or recorded? My 3CD set gives one line of credit for this recording saying (P) 1884 UMG Recordings, and it doesn't sound like a '90s-made remix, which often has much more modern sounds. It definitely sounds like it's of its era. The Discogs page for 12"/Love 2-CD set is where I found the remix credit of "Remix - John Morales" and "M&M Extended Mix" with a time of 7:38 listed, which matches up timewise to my "Dance Classics" CD set. And that version has the acapella intro that budaniel describes. That's why, if I put 2 & 2 together, I believe I have the John Morales Remix (M&M Extended Mix) and it's from 1984/Universal ... although it's always possible that the credits in my booklet were referring to the original album/single recording. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 18 June 2018 at 7:48pm
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I dubbed my promo 45 of "I Can Dream About You," and as was mentioned earlier, it has a "Short Solo Version" and "Long Solo Version." Both sides have listed and actual times of 3:51. The "Short Solo Version" has an edit in the middle of the guitar solo, which removes 2:37 to 2:54. The edit is on the downbeat just before "woooah oooh ooooh." The fade of this version matches the LP's fade, whereas the "Long Solo Version" (aka stock 45 version) is merely an early fade of the LP length. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 18 June 2018 at 10:24pm
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I was wanted to clarify that in 1984 MCA released TWO
different 12" Singles for this. I bought both of them. 1) MCA 23502 Side 1 had the 7:31 Jellybean mix. Side 2 contained a 4:23 vocal and 4:23 Instrumental. 2) MCA 23510 Side 1 had the Larry Levan 5:56 Mix and Side 2 had the above 7:31 Jellybean mix. Gordon, the John Morales (M&M Mix) originated in 1985 on the B-side of the UK 12" Single for "Get Outta Town" - a song he recorded for the "Fletch" soundtrack. You can see that listing here: https://www.discogs.com/Dan-Hartman-Get-Outta- Town/release/511426 An edit of the M&M Remix also appeared on the B-side of the UK 45. [Edit: I just heard the M&M mix for the first time on You-tube. Like the Levan mix, it's not for me. I dislike the extra percussion and echo. I'm sure these mixes sound good in clubs. For listening, I prefer the Jellybean mix because it's simply the song we know but extended.] MM |
Posted By: Ron S
Date Posted: 18 November 2018 at 7:57pm
Now did most stations play the fade or the Short Solo Version? I think I remember only the fade. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 19 November 2018 at 11:20am
Most stations I remember played the Short Solo Version. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Gem80s
Date Posted: 31 October 2019 at 11:27am
Regarding the 4:23 version of Dan Hartman's I Can Dream About You I recently bought a cd with this version. It sounds like a radio edit verion of the Jellybean mix. |