steve winwood--while you see a chance
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Topic: steve winwood--while you see a chance
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: steve winwood--while you see a chance
Date Posted: 01 April 2005 at 8:42pm
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does anyone have the song "while you see a chance" by steve winwood in it's 45 version on cd............i have the LP "chronicles" and on the lp it has the 4:05 version of the song but the cd "chronicles" has the 5:10 version of the song........does anyone have the cd "chronicles" from it's first pressing with the 4:05 version of "while you see a chance"........ ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: David Pro
Date Posted: 22 March 2021 at 5:19pm
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The vinyl LP releases of Chronicles have the 4:07
version of "While You See a Chance" (the full 5:10 version is included on the CD and cassette releases of this compilation). There is another thread regarding this song: http://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=742 |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 23 March 2021 at 3:44pm
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Mind you you can recreate that edit pretty easily. In fact, if you end up making a crappy sounding edit - that means you did it correctly :)
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 3:20am
| Yeah, I vote that as the "worst edit of all time". |
Posted By: David Pro
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 4:50am
In my opinion this weird edit in "While You See a Chance" definiteñy kills the song. |
EdisonLite wrote:Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 5:05am
I dunno - that Aerosmith "Dream On" edit (more the execution of it) is pretty hideous. You gotta love the entry into the second verse. Yikes! But you're right that Island Records should bury it's head in shame over the Winwood 45-rpm disc. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 24 March 2021 at 7:09pm
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To Jody:
There is no excuse for the sound of the edit of "Dream On"; it's a remix from the multitracks! I'm actually wondering if a talented remix engineer did the new mix including adding new background vox, but then a different (hack) person chopped it up to make the chorus hook come in quicker to appease radio. Andy |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 25 March 2021 at 2:54am
| I grew up with that Winwood 45 edit. I find it oddly endearing and actually look forward to hearing it every time! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 25 March 2021 at 2:44pm
See it's funny you say that, because to me, it's still the official hit version. That's what I heard in March of 1981. As bad as the edit is, that's what WAS on the radio. So I more or less agree with you Paul. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 25 March 2021 at 7:16pm
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As if to add insult to injury, most (all?) of the 45 edits on CD sound muddy and distorted.
The 45 edit first appeared on CD on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 18 The Early '80s Take Two (1996), where it runs 4:05. Compared to the CD versions of the LP version, this 45 version sounds pretty bad. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Time-Life's Classic Soft Rock Vol. 3 Into The Night (2006). The version on Island's Revolutions The Very Best Of Steve Winwood runs 4:08, and is almost certainly a different analog transfer than the Time-Life version. I don't have this disc, though, and can't comment on sound quality. In my own library, I recreated the 45 edit, since it's just one edit (and no early fade). If you start with the version on The Finer Things box set (1995), just remove 2.21.3-3.26.5, with the edit falling exactly on a downbeat. It would be great spot for an edit, except for the ayyy-eeee thing. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 2:34am
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<I dunno - that Aerosmith "Dream On" edit (more the execution of it) is pretty hideous. You gotta love the entry into the second verse. Yikes! >
It's funny you say that in response to my comment, Jody - because when I wrote it, I was almost going to say "the edit on Winwood is the worst, and a real close 2nd is "Dream On" (1973 edit)." A while back, you showed me different approaches you took to do the 'short edit' with the album mix. In one edit, you didn't cut off the end of the 1st chorus as early as they did. I've always loved the 1973 mix (as that's what I always heard on the radio, and I bought the 43 in '73), so you inspired me to do a new edit. I used the 1973 single remix for most of the song, but I let that last sung note in chorus 1 go out more, like the album mix does - by putting in a snippet of the album mix. It's not a perfect edit because the mixes are so different, but it's less harsh than the actual spot where they put the edit. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 2:37am
Andy, I've always wondered the same thing. The single remix is a whole new mix, using the multi-tracks. So I could never figure out how that edit at the end of chorus 1 was so bad. But your theory, which I hadn't considered, makes sense - and is probably the best theory. A DIFFERENT GUY edited the single remix after it was actually remixed - cutting off about 5 seconds in that spot just to make the single mix even a bit shorter (than it had already become) for radio. I always imagined that Steven Tyler, Joe Perry and the rest of Aerosmith cringed when they first heard this edit spot. And being Boston-based as I was, I can say this is probably what they were hearing on the radio in 1973 most every time, sadly. At least in 1976, this edit wasn't even made available as a 45. I'll bet the band was happy about that. However, I really like the remix done in '73. If only there's a version that has that mix but is longer (perhaps the whole length of the song). Maybe it will be a bonus cut on some Aerosmith CD or boxed set someday. (I know boxed sets aren't common anymore, but Europe still seems to put them out quite a bit, so you never know.) |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 5:31am
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To EdisonLite (Gordon):
More theories - I wonder if the person who edited "Dream On" was the same person at Columbia who edited "Beginnings", "Are You Ready" & "Thunder And Lightning" - all out-of-sequence edits in the late '60s/early '70s? Does anyone know his/her name? Also, I believe the edit/remix was made available in 1976 *promotionally* on the flip of the 1976 promo 45, and yes, some stations and AT-40 DID play it in '76. Andy |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 6:40am
Yes, the 1976 promo of "Dream On" had the short edit on one side, or at least it's that way on my copy (Columbia did often issue multiple promo singles of a given song with different configurations). Personally, I prefer the single edit...the song was a big hit here in New England in the autumn of '73, and that's what mostly got played. To my ears the part leading into the first chorus that got edited sounded tacked on to the LP version. YMMV. As far as who did the edits on the other Columbia singles, I don't know. Keep in mind that back then the mono and stereo mixes were considered separate projects, and the edits could have been made by different people. While some of the edits in "Are You Ready" are a bit abrupt (to say the least), I like the concept...much better than the infinite fade of the long version. Someone, possibly JimCT (RIP) told me the edit points between the mono & stereo edits were slightly different. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 6:58am
Aaron could corroborate on this better, but when I was at a small station in Simcoe, Ontario, we used GoldDiscs from TM. They recreated the edit a half beat later, by trailing off the "wayyy" on to the start of the keyboard voice. So the "eeeee" is much less noticeable. So it would sound more like "your wayyyyy - bum bum baaaaa dum." if that makes sense. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 26 March 2021 at 7:16am
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OK this is what they should have done. Make the edit halfway between the first snare hit, and the second downbeat. Listen to this I just edited.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aqf69xNYUTWUhUNSglZITz_e8Qd8?e=wtTiG6 - While They Had a Chance - They Should Have Taken It ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 7:56am
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To Jody:
That sounded great! Was that a crossfade or a hard edit? Andy |
Posted By: David Pro
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 10:35am
Regarding the SW compilation Revolutions, the US release contains the 45 edit of "While You See a Chance", whereas the European/UK has the full LP version of the song. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 10:54am
A hard edit - and I never even changed the amplitude of either the take up or the out-splice. Just chop! I'm actually surprised it worked that well. I just timed the end of Steve's vocal, and matched it up to when he stopped singing. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: prisdeej
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 11:22am
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Your edit sounds much better, Jody. How the heck did Island Records let it out of the work
room that way? It was even used for the video. For what it's worth TM Century's homemade edit sounds better to me. ------------- DJ L. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 2:08pm
And moreover, it was recycled for the LP release of Chronicles (not the CD and cassette though) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 27 March 2021 at 3:23pm
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I have never either heard the edit, or listened closely enough to discern the horrible manner in which it was executed. I'm going to have to look through my discs, (Thank you, Ron.) and,
also thank you Jody for a much smoother transition. I went to youtube and discovered it at 2:19 in that video. It's hard to believe that this passed for "Professional" work. You can bet that Winwood never heard it before it was released. BTW, just what exactly was going on in that video anyway? I don't think I ever saw that before as well. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 28 March 2021 at 12:32am
Wow, Jody I listened and thought it had to have been a crossfade, and I was gonna ask for a copy. But if this is just a hard edit, I'll do it myself. It's so much better, and while they didn't have crossfade software back in 1980 like we do now, they could have simply done the edit one beat later like you did. A shame they didn't think to do so. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 29 March 2021 at 10:03pm
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Jody, again, you're brilliant!
I tried doing a direct cut after Winwood stops singing "your waaaaaaay", but no matter what I tried, I couldn't duplicate your edit the way you showed it in your 15-second excerpt. So I did a crossfade over that area and got a real smooth edit, probably very close to the results you got with a hard edit - I just took a different approach to get there. The thing is... 10 or 15 years ago, when trying to decide what I wanted to use for "While You See a Chance", I didn't want the long album version or the worst-edited of all-time 45 version, so I tried editing in all sorts of places to shorten the song from the approximate 5-minute long version. (BTW, When I don't match the single edit points exactly, I call it the "neo-single version".) But anyway, I couldn't find ONE edit that worked ANYWHERE to shorten it to about the single version length. But you doing it just 1 second after they did it - wow. It was lucky that the same chord was playing in both spots, because it sounds like the song changes key right around (before) the area where they did their cut. Anyway, great job! And great thinking :) |
Posted By: VWestlife
Date Posted: 30 March 2021 at 5:35am
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Honestly I didn't notice the "waayyyEEE" in the short version back when it was played on the radio or the first time I listened to it again just now in the music video. But once you hear it, you'll never un-hear it!
However, The Animals called and would like to submit the short version of "House of the Rising Sun" as the worst-edited 45 of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7fZNlMEMXc - The Animals - House of the Rising Sun 45 on YouTube |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 10 April 2021 at 11:56pm
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Yeah, that's the crazy thing. When "While You See..." was played on the radio back in 1980 (i.e. the single version), I didn't notice it. After I heard the long version in the mid or late '80s, and then heard the single version, it really stuck out as a terrible edit. And VWestlife nailed it - "once you hear it, you'll never un-hear it"!
Same thing happened to me with "Dream On"/Aerosmith. I bought the 45 in '73. Never noticed. Some years later, after being familiar with the long version/original mix, the 45 edit sounded horrendous and I could "never go back". I was in the studio about 10 years ago, showing 2 friends the single version. I just wanted them to hear a certain guitar part that came later in the song. But when it got to the edit point, I thought they'd react like, "What just happened?" And they didn't even notice! Third story like this (although to a lesser extent): Kenny Rogers' "Through the Years" edit. Once I heard the long version years later .. well, same exact story. And then, whenever the edit spot played, it was always noticeable, so I made my own custom edit that's still shorter than the LP version but longer than the 45 version - and the transition is smoother. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 13 April 2021 at 5:25am
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Hey EdisonLite:
I’m surprised that you heard Winwood’s single within 1980, I never heard it played on radio at all until at least February 1981. I was going to say that maybe you heard an AOR outlet play the track from Arc of a Diver, but then that would have been the LP version. I admit that I’ve only heard “Dream On” nightmare (haaaaa - see what I did there?) in the 90s when a DJ friend showed me his Columbia 45- rpm disc, but I had forgotten about it until frequenting this forum. Even he used a “Back to Back Hits” reissue with the LP version at weddings and parties. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 13 April 2021 at 1:36pm
That's just bad memory on my part! I thought it came out in 1980 and didn't check the Whitburn books. As it came out in early '81, then that's when I first heard it. But I guess it felt like late 1980 to me. (I recalled hearing it my freshman year of college, which was '80 - '81). My memory for 40 years ago (or even 4 years ago), isn't perfect. I just checked Whitburn and see it debuted 2/7/81, which means radio started playing it in January. I remember a neighbor down the hall in my dorm told me to listen to this song that had just come out, as he really loved it, so he played it for me as it was playing and I agreed. My guess is I heard it at a very early point of its release, in January. Technically, I was only off by a month :) |