debarge "rhythm of the night"
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Topic: debarge "rhythm of the night"
Posted By: edtop40
Subject: debarge "rhythm of the night"
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 9:00pm
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pat....after some review of this song i've determined some things that should be noted in the db.....the 45 is slightly sped up versus some of the cd versions in the db.....the 45 states a run time of 3:47 and actually runs that length.....some of the cd version running in the 3:50-3:54 length are much slower.....the 3:47-3:48 length version are the proper 45 speed.... ------------- edtop40 |
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 11:15pm
| The LP runs 3:47, same as Ed's commercial 45, so it would be accurate to say that CD appearances of "Rhythm of the Night" running 3:52-3:54 in length are slower than both the 45 and LP. Good observation, Ed! |
Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 11:29pm
| If a speed difference accounts for the shorter running time, then the shorter CD appearances must run faster, not slower. If they ran slower, they'd be longer than 3:47. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 12:07am
| They are, Brian. That's what Todd and Ed are saying. The versions on CD run 3:50 to 3:54, and they are slower than the 45 and LP version. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 12:08am
| Yes... I'm in complete agreement with you, Brian. Did I not word it right? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 6:14am
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aaron....i originally thought the song was just and early fade, but after reviewing your fade it still didn't sound right.....so i re-looked at all my data and saw that there are two distinct running times batches in the db....one around 3:47 and one around 3:54....i bought the "20th century millenium collection" cd that stated a run time of 3:48 and that version matches the 45 version exactly......so i went back and listened to the version i sent you from the 1985 billboard r&b cd and it indeed runs slower....so that is where the issue is.....the 3:47-3:48 group runs faster and are the same as the actual 45 speed while the 3:53-3:54 group are slower and run slightly longer....i hope this clears this one up.....edtop40
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Posted By: Brian W.
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 2:02pm
Never mind... I transposed some numbers in my mind, I guess. |
Todd Ireland wrote:Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 29 August 2008 at 5:12pm
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Pat:
According to abagon, the actual commercial 45 run time of Debarge's "Rhythm of the Night" is 3:48, which is very close to the time Ed reported earlier in this thread. All the database CDs where the song runs 3:52-3:54 should have a "slower than the 45 and LP" comment, or something to that effect. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 12 August 2009 at 12:46pm
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Just poked around with this song, and thought I'd give some more specifics. (BTW, it was written by Diane Warren - probably one of her first big hits.)
The 45 (Gordy 1770 GF, 1985) has a printed time of 3:47, an actual run time of about 3:49, and an actual tempo of 116.1 BPM (played by a live drummer with a click track). The fade begins on the downbeat at 3:36 just before the word "behind", and lasts about 24 beats. The earliest version on CD that I know of is on a 3-CD set called Motown 30th Anniversary Collection (Silver Eagle Records SED-10794/Motown MSD-35150, 1988), where it has a printed time of 3:50 and an actual time of about 3:47. Here, it runs 115.1 BPM, which is about 0.9% slower than the 45. The fade begins at 3:36, but due to the pitch/tempo difference, the fade point falls at an earlier point in the song, at the word "mind". It's a shorter fade than the 45. The version on The A-List (Swaitek, 1994) also run 3:47 at 115.1 BPM, with fade points that exactly match the above 30th Anniversary CD. The abbreviated fade was fixed with the release of Hitsville USA Volume Two in 1993. Here, it runs 3:53 and 115.1 BPM (still 0.9% slower than the 45), but the fade points match the 45 fairly closely. Interestingly, the Hitsville CD seems to be based on the same analog transfer that the 30th Anniversary uses, because the samples line up throughout (with a different EQ). There are digital clones of the Hitsville CD, all running 3:53 at 115.1 BPM:
There is also a small group of CDs that have the song playing too fast. It first appeared on the 2-CD set Sessions Presents Night Beat (Warner Special Products OPCD-4515, 1988), with a printed time of 3:48, an actual run time of 3:48, and a tempo of 116.7 BPM (about 0.5% faster than the 45). The fade begins on the downbeat at 3:35 just before the word "behind", and lasts about 24 beats, just like in the 45 but falling about 1 second earlier in the song due to the pitch difference. There are two other CDs that also run 3:48 at 116.7 BPM, which are extremely close in sound quality but aren't digital clones of Night Beat:
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Posted By: Indy500
Date Posted: 27 November 2017 at 8:06pm
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The 12 inch "long version" can be found on DANCE CLASSICS BEST OF VOL 2
2011 UNIVERSAL/RODEO MEDIA 533461-0 Runs 7:10 |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 03 December 2017 at 1:56pm
| Thanks for posting this! |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 11 December 2017 at 6:17pm
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I've always wondered if one of the hired background guys "in the street" uttered those two naughty words "f--k off". Listen at 1:28. I always wondered if I was correct, and someone at Gordy Records forgot to splice a track out.
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 7:17am
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I just wanted to bump this question, since I heard the song today, and it got me wondering. Any takers :)
------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:09pm
| I just checked out the music video and I don't hear those words at 1:28 |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:23pm
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Wow! It's missing. But also, the keyboard voice and vocal take is different on the music video than on the LP and single. There's one to add to the thread on different single mixes and vocal takes. (I'll have to revive that thread and add this song)
However here's the LP version. Now listen at 1:30. The audio starts a little late at the start. It's there. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5M-Ti-eTgI - Debarge Video With The Proper Recording ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:29pm
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Yeah, I hear the differences in the mixes. What's being said is under the lead vocal "romance" between the 2 syllables. The swear word could be what's being said, but I'm not sure. The fact that it was removed from this later version would suggest the label concluded that the background guy was swearing.
So is this what would be considered the "video mix" - and is it different from the single and album mix - and not available on any CD? |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:35pm
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I would think so EdisonLite. Remember, I could pick out the difference almost immediately, so this was a version I've never ever heard.
Wow! Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I mentioned it in the other thread too. you learn something every day :) Happy New Year! ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 02 January 2019 at 3:57pm
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Great ears, everybody!
I found videos on YouTube of someone playing the 45 and the Rhythm Of The Night LP (last song on side 2). Both of these include the alleged naughty words behind the word "romance" around 1:30. Same for all the extended versions on vinyl 12 inch singles. Haven't been able to find someone playing the soundtrack to "The Last Dragon" yet. All the versions I have on CD also include the alleged naughty words behind the word "romance" around 1:30. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 03 January 2019 at 9:55pm
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I hear "my God" or "oh my God"... which might also have been edited in the era of this song and its target demo.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 January 2019 at 10:24pm
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I don't think anything was edited for content for the music video. The video is obviously a completely different mix, and it seems like most or all of the "party noise" in the background is different between the two mixes. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 03 January 2019 at 10:27pm
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In fact, the video is not only a different mix, but it's a different vocal take in some places. The keyboard solo in the middle is totally different, too. This is the first time I've ever seen the music video, and I've never heard this alternate take before. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 27 April 2022 at 1:22am
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(Unrelated to the previous discussion)
The database says the 5:43 version on The Ultimate Collection (Motown 314530561) is the ”Last Dragon” soundtrack LP version. That's incorrect; the 5:43 version is the Dance Mix (not to be confused with the 6:41 Long Version). The Berry Gordy's The Last Dragon soundtrack LP has the standard single/album version, I think with a slightly longer fade. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 24 January 2023 at 7:30pm
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(Related to the previous discussion, going all the way back to the beginning)
I believe some masterings of this run longer not because they are slower, per se (although they are slightly slow compared to the 45), but rather mainly just because they have a several seconds more music before the fade ends. As often happens, the song was recorded without a "proper" big-finish ending, the intention being to just fade it out and imply that the party just keeps on going...and before any mistakes or underwhelming endings are heard. And as often happens, the exact point where the music starts fading and where it disappears to silence varies from mastering to mastering. During the fade, from about 3:38, the vocal refrain goes like this: [chorus:] Feel the beat of the rhythm of the night [lead:] Dance until the morning light [chorus:] Forget about the worries on your mind [lead:] You can leave them all behind [chorus:] Feel the beat of the rhythm of the night [lead, overlapping "night":] Oh-oo-woh*, oh-oo-woh, oh-oo-woh**-oo-whoa [chorus:] Forget*** about the worries on your mind [lead, overlapping "worries":] Aaah, can't you feel it?**** * Rhythm of the Night album on CD ends here ** The Last Dragon soundtrack LP ends here *** single ends here **** Billboard & Like, Omigod! CDs end here In the middle of that final "Ah, can't you feel it?" ad-lib, the rest of the music suddenly stops with a braking tape-reel sound (kinda like a synthesizer going "pew!") and the ad-lib finishes solo with a little bit of echo. This is especially audible on the Like, Omigod CD, although verifying any of this stuff does require really cranking the volume up during the last seconds of the fadeout. As for speed variations, based on very small number of rips I've checked, the 45 and the soundtrack LP for The Last Dragon have the right speed; the music is perfectly in tune. The very small number of CDs I checked were a touch slow, like Ron reported, about 0.6% to 0.9%. But this is even true of the original album on CD, which despite running a little over 3:48, is actually a slower mastering than the ones with the ~3:52 durations. So I am not sure whether it really should be characterized in the database the way it is now, with the 3:51+ versions all being marked "slower than the 45 or LP". I mean, yes, they are slower, but so are at least some of the ones that have the ~3:47 duration. The fadeout point is what is accounting for the main difference. |
Posted By: eric_a
Date Posted: 06 April 2023 at 8:02pm
I just discovered that my Yesteryear reissue 45 appears to have this video version. I haven’t listened too carefully so it might not be the same mix exactly but i hear the alternate keyboard solo. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 06 April 2023 at 8:56pm
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Wow, that’s a cool find! I’ll have to see if I have the reissue 45. ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |