"Everybody’s Got to Learn Sometime"
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Topic: "Everybody’s Got to Learn Sometime"
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Subject: "Everybody’s Got to Learn Sometime"
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:12am
| Thanks to some assistance from Edtop40, I've learned that the 45 version of The Korgis' "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime" runs 3:48 and has never appeared on CD. The commercial 45 edits out part of the instrumental portion toward the end of the LP version from 3:14-3:41. I believe the song's few domestic CD appearances to date are all the LP version. |
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:51am
| That's great info. I had no idea. I'll have to do an edit from my CD. I assume the single has the same mix, Todd? If I go to 3:14 and 3:41 on the CD versions, will it be evident where to splice without having the 45 version at my disposal? (Is it on the downbeats, for instance?) Thanks. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:59pm
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EdisonLite:
Yes, it is evident where to splice. If you set your edit points as closely as possible right before the snare drum strike at the 3:14 and the 3:41 marks (you can't miss the snare drum strikes because there's nothing but synthesizers preceding them at both edit points), you should have the 45 version! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 7:36pm
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hey paul...after you put this post regarding the korgis song i had to go back and review the song again........i don't know which lp/cd you took the album version from BUT, the version that is on the archive series is identical to the 45 version just faded out very slowly to 3:49......i can't hear any instrumentals NOT being included.......my cd version is the same as the 45 version.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 28 April 2005 at 8:27pm
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Ed:
I compared the 45 version you e-mailed me to the 4:15 version on the Then '80s Again: TotallyOldies 7 on Varese Sarabande, which I presume is the LP version. The latter contains an additional instrumental loop toward the end of the song that is edited out of the 45. The single is definitely not an early fade of the version on this CD. By the way, are you referring to the Korgis' Archive CD on the Rialto label? If so, this is an import disc and therefore would not be mentioned in Pat's book. Either way, I wasn't aware that CD carried the 45 version of "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime"! |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 8:48pm
| I have the Dumb Waiters CD as an import...and the original vinyl domestic, because when I bought the CD I was shocked to discover that the song has two completely different sets of lyrics for the verses, whereas, the version I've always known repeats the same lyrics twice for both verses. Can anyone clarify what version is on the comilations you guys are mentioning? Thanks. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 09 May 2005 at 9:14pm
Budaniel: Unfortunately, the version of "Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime" on your Korgis' Dumb Waiters import CD is an alternate take. Why the folks who compiled that CD chose not to use the original version is completely beyond me. |
budaniel wrote:Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 5:57pm
| So is there anyway of getting the full length original cut on a CD? The last copy I have of Pat's book (2002) has no listing for the track on CD at all. Thanks |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 12 May 2005 at 11:05pm
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Budaniel:
You can find the original full-length 4:15 version on: Don't Look Back - Very Best of (Castle Music 81311) Then '80s Again: Totally Oldies 7 (Varese Sarabande 066546) |
Posted By: budaniel
Date Posted: 15 May 2005 at 10:17am
| thanks so much for the info...checked my choices out on amazon, and Totally oldies 7 also had another 80s song I'd written on my "to get" list literally the day before! |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 8:27am
| I made the single edit of this song last night. Thanks for your assistance on this. Was the 3:48 version available on commercial 45s or just dj 45s? |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 7:30am
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EdisonLite:
The 3:48 version is on the commercial 45. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 1:03pm
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Upon listening to a vinyl 45 dub of this song, it appears that the true 45 edit cannot be made using Totally Oldies 7 on Varese.
I'm not sure if it was on the master tape or if the producers at Varese decided to "correct" the opening note; however on their CD, they replaced the opening synth note with the fifth note of the intro. I guess they thought that the first note sounded like a mistake and decided to fix it. The true LP version does not have this "correction." I heard Jim's LP version from a Korgis' import CD and the opening note matches the 45. It's a minor detail, but worth noting. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 1:05pm
| By the way, Pat. You may need to note in the database that Totally Oldies 7 is "neither the 45 nor LP" or "LP version with different opening note"...something to that effect. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 2:02pm
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I have the import Korgis CD "Archive Series".
I simply followed Todd Ireland's guidelines: <The commercial 45 edits out part of the instrumental portion toward the end of the LP version from 3:14-3:41> to make my edit. Would this be the single edit? When you say Varese replaced the opening intro note with the 5th note, it sounds like the intro was edited, too -- which obviously I didn't do, based on Todd's description. If anyone has the "Archive" CD -- I'm just curious, did I make the single edit? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2006 at 2:13pm
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I'm talking literally the FIRST note only. On the LP & 45 versions, it sounds as if the keyboardist makes a slight error, but perhaps it's intended that way. On the Varese CD, the first note was "corrected."
Gordon, if you used the import CD to make your edit, you wouldn't have to do anything with the intro. Todd is right in that there is only one edit, and he told you the correct edit points. Bottom line: Avoid the Varese CD for this cut. It has the wrong intro. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 9:51pm
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Todd, not to be overly picky...but that's what we do on this board, right? :)
The edit is actually at (3:15) on the second drum strike. When I put the LP and 45 versions on top of each other, they were exatly in sync (and phasing) up until the second drum strike. When I made the edit as you said above, I couldn't get them to sync up correctly. I know, it's anal, and without putting them on top of each other, you'd never know the difference. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 10:14pm
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Hmmm... I'll have to go back and check my edits.
What's great about you, Aaron, is whenever you work on edits, I know you're doing them right and with pinpoint precision! |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 10:28pm
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Thanks, Todd! When I first started editing several years ago (1997 to be exact), I used my ear to figure out the edit points. I've gone back and checked some of my early edits, and I was pretty much dead on with all of them.
Over the past couple years, I started using a multi-tracker to edit songs. That means I could have the LP version on one track and 45 version on another and play them on top of each other. Whenever the songs go out of sync, I know there is an edit point. Nowadays, my edits should be indistinguishable from the orignal master tape! Computer editing software allows you to come that close... |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 July 2006 at 10:45pm
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I also use a multi-tracker to sync up and edit songs but I've always just clicked back and forth repeatedly between the 45 version track and the LP version track when listening for edits. Your way of playing both tracks simultaneously does make more sense because you are able measure edits more precisely by listening for phasing and synchronization differences.
You may not realize it, Aaron, but you've helped give me a valuable editing tip! I owe you one! ;-) |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 6:58pm
| I just found a promo copy of the 45 for this song that runs 4:13 both sides. Were all the commercial copies 3:49 or did some run 4:13? |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 24 March 2009 at 3:01pm
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my commercial 45 issued as asylum 47055 states a run time of 3:49 and indeed does run that length...i found the correct 45 version on the greatest hits cd "archive" issued on the riato label in 1997......the only difference is that the 45 fades out from the 3:15 mark to 3:49...and the fade out is tough to replicate...it's not a gradual fade but a normal fade to start then it takes about 0:20 to finish....in addition the first note on this cd and the 45 are the same.....no glitch or errors....
------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 04 April 2014 at 2:53pm
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This song rarely turns up on compilations, so I assumed
it was on an indie label. Nope, the Korgis were on Asylum here in the US. "Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime" got lost in the shuffle in the US, buried under the Linda Ronstadt, Eagles and Jackson Browne records on Asylum that commanded the label's attention in 1980. The LP version runs 4:09 on EMI UK's 2-CD Now The Millennium Series 1980 (1999), and there's a differently EQ'd digital clone on Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft Rock Vol. 2 Ride Like The Wind (2006). Both of these are likely source from a pre-1999 CD, but I don't know which one. The same analog transfer is used on EMI UK's 2-CD Best Of 1980-1981 (2003). All three sound good, with no clipping, good EQ, no excessive compression/limiting, and no evidence of noise reduction. The LP version on EMI Australia's 5-CD Eighties Complete Vol. 2 (1999) fades about 7 seconds more quickly than the above two. The LP version on Then Totally Oldies Vol. 7 The 80s Again replaces the first note, as noted above. Not cool! Avoid. Using the Time-Life disc as my source, the editing instructions are simple for recreating the 45 edit: Segment 1: Extends from 0:00.0 to 3:14.8 of the 45 edit and the LP version. Ends on the first snare hit after the break. Remove the 32 beats from 3:14.8 to 3:40.7 of the LP version. Segment 2: Extends from 3:14.8 to 3:46.4 (end) of the 45 edit. Extends from 3:40.7 to 4:12.3 (end) of the LP version. Your mixdown will run 3:43 without outro silence, 3:46.4 with outro silence, and a single edit at 3:14.8. Just so you know, there's a rerecorded version out there, which was done for the This World's For Everyone in 1992. The opening keyboard tones are different than the 1980 version. I think this is the version that turns up on the UK's 2-CD Sampled Vol. 1 (2000), where it runs about 3:37. ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 04 April 2014 at 5:51pm
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Ron, this song was always a big personal fave of mine. As such, I bought a
UK import CD: The Korgis-"The Best Of & The Rest Of", on Action Replay #CDAR 1015. Released back in 1990. Some years back, Aaron analyzed "Everybody's....", and confirmed that it features the original 1980 Elektra LP version, including the first note. Used CD copies are still available for it, at great prices, for anyone interested. |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 December 2018 at 12:14am
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"DJ copies of this 45 run (4:13)"
Does this mean that the DJ / promo version matches the LP version, or did it actually add 4 seconds? Does anybody know if it was a different mix or had different lyrics? A listener requested this and I don't remember ever hearing it... it's fantastic! I want to be sure to get the "radio" version into rotation. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 December 2018 at 9:21pm
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I believe I just answered my own question.
It appears the full-length LP version was released to radio https://www.discogs.com/The-Korgis-Everybodys-Got-To-Learn-Sometime/release/6574631 - here . It ALSO appears the single edit was released to radio https://www.discogs.com/The-Korgis-Everybodys-Got-To-Learn-Sometime/release/3270161 - here . It might be worth noting the edit is listed as mono and the LP length is listed as stereo... perhaps they believe AM hit radio stations would play the edit and album rock FM stations would play the full-length version? I'd still be curious if anybody remembers hearing the edit or the LP version more. I suspect the edit ruled on hit radio because edits typically do, but I have no memory of this song. ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 26 December 2018 at 10:12pm
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Gene, if you click on the additional images on Discogs for
the edit, you'll see there was a stereo side for the 3:49 edit. I remember playing this song in 1980 at an adult contemporary station when it came out but I don't remember if it was the edit or the full length version. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: NightAire
Date Posted: 26 December 2018 at 10:15pm
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Great info John; thanks! ------------- Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com - http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage - http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 01 January 2019 at 3:17pm
I just timed my promo. Listed 3:49, actual 3:46. |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:35am
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This sounds like a song 10cc or the little river band might do. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! I tell you when I say I don't remember this song at all.
I was scanning an ad from Time-Life online and ran across it. Was this left out of the Midwest charts? Where was this popular? ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:49am
One of my favorite songs from 1980! It went Top 10 on KDWB in Minneapolis and Top 20 on KBEQ in Kansas City. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:59am
Same here. The last quarter of the year had great hits like this one, Roger Daltrey, Devo and the Doobies ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: jono
Date Posted: 26 September 2022 at 3:35pm
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Heard it frequently in Eastern Wisconsin back in the day. Not sure how
popular it was on any local charts, but it was definitely played there. I used to listen to WKAU (Kaukauna), WHBY (Appleton) and WIXX (Green Bay). It may have been most popular on WHBY, since that was more of an AC station, but WIXX used to air Casey’s Top 40 and I’m sure they played it pretty often as well. Jon O. |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 26 September 2022 at 3:38pm
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On CKLW The Korgis first appeared on the weekly chart as
"new music" on Nov 4,1980. It then spent 6 weeks on CKLW Top 30 Music Guide peaking at #16 the week of Dec 9,1980 |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 27 September 2022 at 5:19am
I was a bit surprised to see that this song peaked at #18 in BB, I went back and gave my copy a listen...sounded vaguely familiar but definitely not an "oh yeah" song. I'm sure we played this at the station I worked at in 1980, but it doesn't stand out. Then again, there were a lot of forgettable songs out in that '80-81 timeframe. Kind of a vacuum in pop music once disco imploded. |
Posted By: mjb50
Date Posted: 27 September 2022 at 5:44am
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The 4:22 "alternate" album version said to have first appeared on the Edsel reissue in 1999 is in fact on an original Dutch LP, albeit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_sMitEMq08 - faded out by about 4:18 .
Meanwhile, the German LP says it includes the "UK Top Hit" and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYktYFv2vNE - plays the 4:12 full-length single version . On YouTube, this 45 runs the full 4:12, maybe even a little longer: • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71XEbLtarKk - Spanish 45 On YouTube, these 45s are about a 3:50 early fade of the 4:12 version: • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUwHtfHn8w - UK 45 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78lfpmr1qto - French 45 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVHOtfwKJU - German 45 (stopped early) So is the US 45 version different than these? The music video contains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHB5PgZOQnk - an even earlier fade (3:28). I have the 4:12 full-length single version on One Shot '80 vol. 3: • Intro synth centered • tinkly bells at 0:44 in wide stereo • 1:12 lyrics are "Change your heart" thru "like the sunshine" • 2:47 lyrics are "and everybody's got to learn sometime" • 3:13 shimmery synth is very loud. I have the 4:22 alternate album version from the 1999 Dumb Waiters CD reissue: • Intro synth slightly right and less reverby • tinkly bells at 0:44 in narrower stereo • 1:12 lyrics are "Every day" thru "when will we see the light" • 2:47 lyrics are "'s everybody's got to learn sometime" • 3:13 shimmery synth is not so forward • fade out runs 10 seconds longer On Discogs, I noticed the US LP shows a duration on the labels of 4:15, whereas European ones say 4:25. Given all this, I suspect the alternate version is in fact the original album version, but the single's popularity resulted in it becoming the album version on some releases. |
Posted By: Paul Haney
Date Posted: 27 September 2022 at 10:30am
Ouch! Seeing as how my favorite year for music is 1980, I can find tons of great songs (including this one). But like any other year, there are forgettable ones as well. I realize that the narrative built up over the years is that 1980-81 is full of "soft" hits, but many of them are near and dear to my heart (and I can cite plenty of uptempo hits as well). Guess it's all a matter of perspective. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 27 September 2022 at 2:42pm
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I kind of agree with Hykker the years 1980-1981 could be
the lowest point in pop music until 1983 when Michael Jackson exploded....just one man's opinion... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: C J Brown
Date Posted: 27 September 2022 at 3:39pm
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Surprised more members did not hear the Korgis at night via
CKLW skywave |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 28 September 2022 at 7:58am
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I was working at an adult contemporary station in
Jamestown, NY in 1980 when this song came out and I know we played this song. I can still see the white label promo 45 in my head. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: MMathews
Date Posted: 28 September 2022 at 6:50pm
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I definitely heard this in NY as a current in 1980. However I've never heard it on the radio again after that.
Truly a lost hit. MM |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 29 September 2022 at 7:17pm
We're you at WWSE 93? I listened to them from Ontario near Dunnville. They were running automation, very similar to the TM service at102.5 in Buffalo ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 01 October 2022 at 9:40pm
Hi Jody, no, I was at WKSN-AM. It was a 1000w days/250w nights. Their FM was an automated country, WHUG-FM. ------------- John Gallagher Erie, PA https://www.johngallagher.com" rel="nofollow - John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment / Snapblast Photo Booth |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 14 November 2022 at 1:15am
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I heard it a lot on the radio in 1980. Does it never get played on Sirius XM's
'80s channel? (And don't they now have an '80s Deep Tracks channel, too?) I wonder if it's played there. If it's never been played on SXM, I wonder if it was played on XM before merging with Sirius. XM had a broader playlist, which is why I preferred that one. |
Posted By: Bellenger1981
Date Posted: 21 September 2024 at 12:10pm
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FYI. That first note replacement seems to have originated
from the "Don't Look Back - The Very Best Of" 2003 compilation from the UK (Castle Music). ------------- Jason Bellenger Byron Center, Michigan, USA |