45 vs. LP versions
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Topic: 45 vs. LP versions
Posted By: davidclark
Subject: 45 vs. LP versions
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 7:24am
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Here's something where I'd like some input. In my personal database, which I've had going since the late '80s, I track which 45 versions are a different recording/performance from their LP counterpart (as opposed to being an edit/different mix/different arrangement/different vocals/overdub or undubbed/etc. of the same basic recording). I personally like the Chat here because we can ask each other questions on this, i.e., how the 45 and LP versions differ, however this info doesn't make it to Pat's database.
I've prepared a list of what I believe to be 45s where they are a different performance from the LP. I put it out for feedback/comment/additions/subtractions. The list is based on what I know - I'm sure there are others I am not aware of. Note that a song like The Beatles "Help" doesn't make this list because the recording is basically the same - it's the vocal and a tambourine that's different. A list of 45 versions that are the same recording yet different somehow would be rather large, so it ain't here. Please comment at will, as any addtional info on this is much appreciated! The database might need updating in a few cases (e.g., The Leaves "Hey Joe"). 1957 Harry Belafonte Jamaica Farewell 1957 Ricky Nelson Be-Bop Baby 1959 Freddy Cannon Tallahassee Lassie 1960 Bobby Darin Clementine 1961 Andy Williams The Bilbao Song 1961 Buzz Clifford Baby Sittin' Boogie 1961 Dave Brubeck Quartet Take Five 1961 Drifters Some Kind Of Wonderful 1961 Kokomo &n bsp; Asia Minor 1962 Ace Cannon Tuff 1962 Ben E. King Don't Play That Song (You Lied) 1962 Bent Fabric & His Piano Alley Cat 1962 Peter, Paul & Mary If I Had A Hammer (The Hammer Song) 1962 Shirelles Baby It's You 1963 Beach Boys Be True To Your School 1963 Drifters Up On The Roof 1963 Marvin Gaye Pride And Joy 1964 Beatles & nbsp; Please Please Me 1964 Dr ifters Under The Boardwalk 1964 Jan & Dean Dead Man's Curve 1964 Joey Powers Midnight Mary 1964 Peter, Paul & Mary Tell It On The Mountain 1965 Barbara Mason Yes, I'm Ready 1965 Beach Boys Help Me, Rhonda 1965 Billy Stewart I Do Love You 1965 Byrds Al l I Really Want To Do 1965 Donovan Catch The Wind 1965 Little Anthony & The Imperials Take Me Back 1965 Otis Redding I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now) 1965 Otis Redding Respect 1965 Shirley Bassey Goldfinger 1965 Solomon Burke Got To Get You Off My Mind 1966 Bobby Fuller Four I Fought The Law 1966 Gary Lewis & The Playboys Sure Gonna Miss Her 1966 Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass Zorba The Greek 1966 Leaves H ey Joe 1967 Martha & The Vandellas Jimmy Mack 1967 Nancy Sinatra You Only Live Twice 1967 Paul Revere & The Raiders Peace Of Mind 1967 Ray Charles In The Heat Of The Night 1967 Spyder Turner Stand By Me 1968 Four Jacks And A Jill Master Jack 1969 Banana Splits The Tra La La Song (One Banana, Two Banana) 1969 Booker T. & The MG's Time Is Tight 1969 Canned Heat Going Up The Country 1969 Peter, Paul & Mary Day Is Done 1970 Bread &nb sp; It Don't Matter To Me 1970 Carpenters Merry Christmas Darling 1970 Guess Who No Time 1970 Joe Cocker The Letter 1971 Donny Osmond Sweet And Innocent 1971 James Taylor Country Road 1971 Wadsworth Mansion Sweet Mary 1972 Foot In Cold Water (Make Me Do) Anything You Want 1973 Bette Midler Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy 1976 Keith Carradine I'm Easy 1978 Eddie Money Two Tickets To Paradise 1983 Frank Stallone Far From Over Unknown as to if the 45 version is an edit/alteration of the LP version or a different recording/performance: 1967 Al Martino Mary In The Morning 1986 Cars &nbs p;I'm Not The One ------------- dc1 |
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Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 9:08am
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You can add:
1978 Dolly Parton Two Doors Down -- as we recently discussed this on the board. However, later LP's pressed (after the album sold gold), they subtituted the new 45 recording for the old LP recording, but I still think this one counts.) |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 2:10pm
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What's the difference between 45 and lp versions of Midnight Mary by Joey Powers? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 29 May 2007 at 2:47pm
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Tom,
Pat has the different "Midnight Mary" designated as alternate take. My boo. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: john halloran
Date Posted: 30 May 2007 at 5:18pm
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Todd,
Without hesitation, you can add: 1972 Danny O'Keefe Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues 1972 Jackson Browne Rock Me on the Water 1973 Loggins and Messina Thinking of You One other, I'm a little hazy, since I dont own the LP and its been years since I've heard it, is Looking Glass' Jimmy Loves Mary Anne-there is a different organ middle-eight and it ends cold. There are a handful of others, but you have probably ruled them out, are J5 "Mama's Pearl"; Rare Earth's "I Know I'm Losing You" and the Beatles "Get Back" and "Let it Be", but it's your list and your criterion. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 7:51am
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Glad to see some are interested in my post!
John, for "Get Back", I understand the song was recorded 27 January 1969. Although the two are from the same basic take, the 45 features a spoken coda at the end recorded 28 January 1969 while the LP version features studio talk and speech, the latter recorded 30 January 1969. The two feature a different stereo mix and the 45 contains reverb while the LP version is dry. So, since it isn't a different performance, I don't have it in the above list. "Let It Be" is similar, the basic take being recorded 31 January 1969 but the 45 and LP verions are different due to mix, length and guitar solo. For "Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues", I understand the 45 is the same take as the LP version, albeit thoroughly remixed with additional production & editing; the promo 45 is a different recording - it is shorter and features a flute where the 45 and LP version feature added percussion (bongos) and a harmonica. If I am incorrect on the above, please enlighten me! For "Thinking Of You" and "Rock Me on the Water", I do not know either of the versions, so I'll take your word for it! I do have a list of 45s that are different from their LP counterpart that does indeed include "Mama's Pearl" and 100s of others. Maybe another post someday? Anyone can answer Al Martino or The Cars? ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 10:52am
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Was "Two Tickets To Paradise" an entirely different recording? I always knew there were lots of overdubs---guitar, vocals, and rearrangements---but I never noticed a different vocal take for the verses and choruses. Also, I seem to remember A/B-ing the two, and they stayed in sync. That would also lead me to believe that the take/recording is the same.
The Dave Brubeck album with "Take Five" is one of my favorite jazz albums. I had no idea the single was a different take! I haven't listened carefully enough to the LP version of "Alley Cat," but I thought it was only a difference in the reverb but not the actual recording. Good info, David. |
Posted By: bwolfe
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 11:24am
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Both Eddie Money and Loggins & Messina were both different recordings than their LP versions.
Two Tickets has a different vocal take and guitar work. Thinking Of You is faster and a better version than the now common LP version. Dick Bartley played the 45 version of Thinking Of You on his American Gold show around a year ago. You could tell it was clean vinyl. ------------- the way it was heard on the radio |
Posted By: TomDiehl1
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 12:44pm
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I'm not 100% convinced the 45 version of Take Five is a different take than the LP version. Edited from the multitrack in a way that you cannot replicate that from the 2-track album master, sure, but I don't think it's an entirely new recording.
As for Up On The Roof by the Drifters, i believe the only difference between the album and single is the vocals over the intro on the album version, which you can faintly hear on the single version. Is there any other part of the song where the album and single versions are not from the same take? ------------- Live in stereo. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 31 May 2007 at 1:13pm
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Tom,
On "Take Five", I am convinced it is a different recording, albeit quite close (except for the middle part of course). There are several points where I can tell, the first being at about 0:12. On the LP version, he doesn't play a "down" piano stroke where on the 45 he does. I mean there's a piano note missing. Hope i've described it well enough. Good ear on "Up On The Roof" though. After listening closely, I now do believe that they are the same take. The differences are in the mix throughout, and at the beginning where the 45 repeats the musical intro twice while the LP version repeats it 4 times (with vocals preceding it and over it), and at 0:17 of the LP version where there are background vocals not present at the same point (0:13) on the 45. Interested in other opinions... thanks for your feedback, Tom! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 26 March 2009 at 4:18pm
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David...
This falls into the category, "I'll get right on it." (!) I've just finished comparing the LP and 45 versions of RESPECT, and I've come up with something interesting. First, I couldn't understand why my 45 was not matching up at all with the 45 version as listed in the DB for "Very Best Of," "Stax 50th Anniversary," Atlantic Rhythm & Blues #5," and Flashback "60's Rock-Mony Mony," which are the CDs I have that purport to have the 45 version. What I did find was that the stereo LP version as listed on "Ultimate" and "Story" matched up quite well and as far as I'm able to tell (unless there are overdubs or something I missed), this is the 45 version in stereo. Which leads me to the question, what the heck is the song that's listed as the mono 45 version? Sounds like an alternate version to me. Can anyone confirm any of this and maybe get the data base changed? |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 1:09pm
What a great record! David, the difference with "(Make Me Do) Anything You Want" isn't a 45 vs. LP version distinction. This one's a 45 vs. 45 difference. The 1972 45 on http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/FootInColdwater-MakeMeDoAnything-1.jpg - Daffodil 1017 is the full 5:05 version from the A Foot In Coldwater LP, with the long guitar solo in the middle. This was the Canadian hit. In 1974, A Foot In Coldwater completely re-recorded the song - minus the long guitar solo - for their third album, All Around Us. This 2:59 version was fuller-sounding, with a somewhat rockier, less-acoustic emphasis during the hooks. This new version of "(Make Me Do) Anything You Want" was released as a single in Canada as Daffodil 1058, and in the U.S. in January, 1975 as http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh240/YahShure/FootInColdwater-MakeMeDoAnythingYou.jpg - Elektra 45224 . The newer recording was not drastically different than the 1972 original. Other than the absence of the guitar solo, a casual listener may not even catch the differences between the two. The 1974/75 re-recording sounded like it was done with radio in mind, but, alas, it was was not a hit on either side of the 49th parallel. |
davidclark wrote:Posted By: torcan
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 1:24pm
Love the song...it even had a picture sleeve upon original release in Canada. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 27 March 2009 at 6:04pm
| I also LOVED that 1972 Daffodil full version as well, and always personally thought that the Elektra 45224 re-do was incredibly inferior to the earlier original. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 8:50am
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Jim/torcan,
Thanks for the info. That's something I didn't know re: (Make Me Do) Anything You Want. I have a version running 3:04. Perhaps this is the Elektra remake. I'll shoot you an MP3 and if you could verify I'd really appreciate it! ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 28 March 2009 at 11:16am
Not me. I love both versions equally. A Foot In Coldwater must have known that the odds against their landing an American hit in 1975 as virtual unknowns with a five-minute, acoustic-leaning single were far too high. They gave it a shot with a version more suited to U.S. radio, but the odds still beat them. I give them credit for at least trying. I liked the added oomph on the Elektra version, and it really sounded great on my college station. The '72 original would have sounded great, too, but we were never serviced with it. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 29 March 2009 at 11:59am
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OK here's two to add:
Whitesnake - Here I Go Again (the 45 is a harder mix, but an entirely different recording) Kenny G and Lenny Williams - Don't Make Me Wait For Love (the 45 has different performances by Kenny and Lenny - though it is possible that the verses sung by Lenny are the same take.) ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: elcoleccionista
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 12:07pm
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1989 Cyndi Lauper "A Night To Remember"
Didn't enter the Hot 100 but was released promotionally on CD (ESK73031) off the homonymous album. It's slightly remixed and vocals were completely re-recorded for the single version. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 31 March 2009 at 3:37pm
I have both the album & 45 of this, and I think the single is just an edit & early fade. I don't hear any different vocal, mix, etc in it. |
Posted By: Jody Thornton
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 7:28am
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Oh one more - lol!
The 12" of Deniece Williams "Let's Hear it For the Boy" is a different vocal track. I remember Stereo Rock automation using a custom edit of the 12" to "match" the radio version. Also a couple of lines on Foreigner's "Waiting For A Girl Like You", the remix version - which you can find on "Records" are re-done. The end of the first chorus where Lou sings, ..."my life" are different. ------------- Cheers, Jody Thornton (Richmond Hill, Ontario) |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 6:58pm
| Robert-- regarding your post of March 26 dealing with Otis Redding and his 45 version of "Respect", perhaps there are two 45 versions but mine is Volt 128 matrix number VLT9108-11 and it matches up perfectly with the version found on Rhino's "Very Best Of". All mono versions that I have heard are a different mix and vocal take than the stereo versions. On the stereo versions at :33 to :34 you hear the line "you can do me wrong" but on the 45 you only hear "do me wrong". |
Posted By: Robert
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 1:38pm
| Pat, I think we might indeed have two versions here. My matrix # is VLT-9108 SP. No number 11 to be found. I just listened to mine and the line at :34 is "You can do me wrong." |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 9:01pm
| I wonder if both 45 versions of "Respect" were pressed and released at the same time, or if one was designed to replace the other. Can anyone furnish some additional background info on this? |
Posted By: cherbette
Date Posted: 17 September 2010 at 8:06am
@elcoleccionista, you wouldn't happen to have that rare promo Cyndi Lauper single, would you? |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 27 June 2011 at 5:53pm
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I'd like to confirm if on the stereo LP version of Bobby Darin's "Multiplication" he adds the line "they better" to the end of the recording. The mono 45 ends with the cold ending (minus the extra line tacked on to the end). ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 28 June 2011 at 9:46am
| This is very strange as all mono cd appearances of "Multiplication" end cold and all stereo appearances end with "they better". My mono 45 dj copy of "Multiplication" however ends with "they better" and my mono "Twist With Bobby Darin" vinyl LP ends cold. So the question is does anyone have a commercial copy of the 45 of Multiplication" that can report back as to how the commercial 45 ends? It appears there may be two different pressings of the 45 (my matrix number is 61-C-5808-3). |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 29 April 2019 at 5:09pm
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I've searched, apparently everyone forgot on the
board.. Rare Earth..I'M LOSING YOU, very different recording far as I know.. Stealer's Wheel-EVERYONE's//turn out FINE! ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 05 May 2019 at 7:34pm
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Roger Williams/ Till. Vocal chorus is different from the
Stereo LP version commonly found on reissues. Same goes for Autumn Leaves, the Stereo is a re-recording from 1965. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 06 May 2019 at 11:28pm
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Roger Williams first rerecorded "Autumn Leaves" in stereo on the 1960 LP
"Songs of the Fabulous Fifties, Part 2". Its actually rather faithful to the original. I believe the 1965 recording has vocals. ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 12 April 2020 at 2:15pm
------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: AdvprosD
Date Posted: 13 November 2020 at 6:23pm
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I'm going to look and see if I actually have a 45 version of Rare Earth's "Get Ready" cover of the Temptations song. I feel a bit embarrassed to admit that I didn't know about the 21:30 version that Rare Earth did until a good 30+ years after
the single charted. As I remember, they just took the long version and edited it to a much shorter version. I think it has always been a "Live" performance in both versions. ------------- <Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo! |