ELO - Can’t Get It Out Of My Head
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Topic: ELO - Can’t Get It Out Of My Head
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: ELO - Can’t Get It Out Of My Head
Date Posted: 03 July 2007 at 8:18am
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There's been discussion on Tom Daly's site that Electric Light Orchestra's "Can't Get It Out Of My Head" on Time-Life's Sound Of The Seventies - 1975: Take Two is NOT the 45 version, instead is a Time-Life edit to recreate it with a choppy edit.
Can anyone confirm this? Reason I asked, it's listed as the 45 version in the database. |
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Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 04 July 2007 at 12:40pm
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I could be way offbase here, but Ed had sent me a dub a few months or so ago of the song from another CD source, which he says matches the vinyl 45 exactly (I don't have the actual 45). To my ears, that dub he sent doesn't vary from the T-L version (even the edit seems to match, although I don't have ABing software to offically check).
I'd like to defer to him just in case, though. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:08pm
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another contender for our fellows with 45s to verify (perhaps Pat has already done so...) ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 July 2007 at 6:17pm
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The version now posted on Skyline's site is a different edit from the Time-Life version. And Tom Daly says the source is a dub of his vinyl single.
Although, since 45s can have different pressings (and versions), I'd still like a second corroboration. Ed, can you recheck your 45, por favor? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: jimct
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 4:17am
| Although this sort of thing is not my specialty, I have just researched this case. My opinion: The original 45 and the T/L 1975 CD versions are NOT the same. ALL of the differences I found occur around the song's instrumental bridge, between the (1:12) and the (1:33) mark into the song. Jeff Lynne's "No, No" vocal, just before this bridge, is at full volume on the 45, but is a barely-discernable "echo" on the CD. A choir is then heard next on the original 45, until about (1:20). Bells and a "controlled" synth riff are ONLY featured during the bridge between (1:20) and (1:25). From there, building violins are then featured, until Lynne resumes his vocal, around (1:33-1:34). On the T/L CD, the choir, from (1:15-ish) to (1:20) is simply not there. Instead, brief bells, followed by a MUCH longer, wilder, "up and down" synth interlude, replaces the choir. When you know where to focus, it actually becomes fairly obvious that the instrumental break on the T/L CD, despite matching up with the 45 TIME-wise, isn't even really all that close to the original 45, when it comes to the break's actual content. My research also determined that, throughout the song, all of the vocals (except for the earlier-mentioned, missing "No, No" vocal) match up perfectly when I compared the two versions, both word-for-word and second-for-second. Pat, please give a listen to the two where I've indicated, and I'm pretty sure you'll concur with my findings here. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 6:32am
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Jim, nice work. So I was way offbase in my initial post. My apologies. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 10:43am
| A truly detailed comparison, Jim! Thank you very much for the details! |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 12:33pm
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i will check my version versus the 45 later tonight when i get home......i will be back with my findings then.... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 1:45pm
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Listening to Tom's dub and the T-L version further, I think I found another pretty major difference in the chorus that leads to the instrumental break. On Tom's dub, the chorus has Lynne accompanied with background vocals. The T-L version does not.
Just one more thing for Ed to double check when he reports his findings. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 1:50pm
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doug...at what time does this new difference occur??
------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: bdpop
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 2:39pm
| Also, Evil Woman by ELO on the Time-Life Sounds of the Seventies 1976 CD I do not believe is the correct single version. I no longer have a copy of the actual single to compare it with, but it does not sound at all as I remember it. It too sounds like a chopped up mix of the LP version. I wonder if the masters of the ELO single mixes have been lost though the years. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 4:04pm
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When I purchased the Sounds Of The Seventies - 1976: Take Two CD, I was so excited thinking... FINALLY, the 45 version of Evil Woman. Well, about halfway through the song or so, it's pitched down terribly.
Last year, I purchased a near mint copy of the 45 to replace the T-L file. Certainly glad I did. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 5:44pm
About 48.5 seconds in, Ed. As to the comments regarding "Evil Woman"--"Evil Woman" is most definitely not the single version on the T-L disc. In addition to being pitched down toward the end, some of the edits are wrong. The version on the Rhino Have A Nice Decade box is much closer, but still wrong (they left one line in that should've been removed). Fortunately, the 45 is pretty easy to make from the LP. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
edtop40 wrote:Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 6:38pm
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Obviously, 2 strikes just within this thread for Time-Life regarding both ELO tracks.
I'm sure there's many more. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 08 July 2007 at 7:46pm
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Prezactly. But T-L does have some redeeming tracks in its arsenal (the only CDs with the 45 version of Steely Dan's "Do It Again" are all from T-L, OTOH had they not snipped the opening bass line, they'd also have the only true 45 version of "Rikki Don't Lose That Number").
Obviously not ELO, but T-L does have its moments. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 11 July 2007 at 8:30pm
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Thought I'd bump this up to ask--Ed, didja ever come up with any findings? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 12 July 2007 at 6:47pm
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i just got back from vaca and i had a chance to review the song and i will agree with everything jim has commented about the song.....i will add that my 45 contains choir and background vocals from the 0:48-1:11 mark which are NOT on the edit version i have.....so i will agree that the edit version i have from a starland compilation titled "lost in love" is NOT the same as the 45 version....it's close but not exact enough after further review....it may be possible to recreate those background choir vocals and place them in the correct spot, since the choir vocals are in the remainder of the song quite a bit.....but.....i believe getting the edit from the 1:12 to 1:33 bridge will be difficult if not im possible with out using a mint 45 to splice in together....this one will require aaron's complete attention to get right.....but....he'll probably be up for it..... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 12 July 2007 at 10:28pm
| Bring it on! :) Of course, I couldn't work my magic without the help of several people on this board (you know who you are). |
Posted By: Roscoe
Date Posted: 13 July 2007 at 5:11pm
Maybe I'm missing something, but I was able to easily recreate the 45 edit that was posted on the Skyline site (purportedly from an mint 45). Has anyone confirmed that the Skyline version is the correct 45 version? I performed the following edits to recreate the version posted on Skyline: - Delete from :48 to 1:46 (so that the first verse segues directly into the second chorus with the background vocals) - Delete from 2:18 to 2:27 in the bridge - Delete from 2:32 to 2:41 in the bridge The LP version has the background choir referenced above. |
Posted By: EdisonLite
Date Posted: 19 June 2010 at 5:44pm
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Hey Guys, what is the status of this? Can the single version be edited from the album version (such as with the edit points that Roscoe mentions above)?
Also, Roscoe, I haven't tried your edits yet, but when you list the time "2:18 to 2:27", are you referring to the album points, or the times as they would exist after you've already edited :48 to 1:46 out? |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 7:58am
| Yes, the single version can be created from the LP. Apparently, the T/L folks just goofed on their edit. The edit points referenced by Roscoe refer to the segments in the LP version that need to be cut. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 27 December 2011 at 5:36pm
| To anyone interested in tracking down the correct 45 version of Electric Light Orchestra's "Can't Get It out of My Head" on CD, I have it on an ELO 2-CD UK import set called Light Years: The Very Best of on Epic 489039. The set is still in print and brand new copies can currently be purchased on popular online retail sites like Amazon for as little as $10-$12! |
Posted By: Paul C
Date Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:58pm
| About three months ago, Epic/Legacy issued a new CD, The Essential Electric Light Orchestra, which differs from the 2003 release of the same title. It contains an 'edit' version of 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head' running about 3:06 described in the database as 'neither the 45 nor LP version'. I purchased a download of the track and compared it to the Time-Life CD. The two differ in the key 1:12 to 1:33 time period, with the new CD in line with Jim's description of his 45, but since I don't own an original 45 myself I can't say with certainty that this is the 45 version. |
Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 17 January 2012 at 3:04pm
| Yes Paul, I agree with you that the new "Essential" cd does include the 45 version. |
Posted By: Santi Paradoa
Date Posted: 17 January 2012 at 9:05pm
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Thanks Paul for finding this 45 version and Pat for confirming. Are "Telephone Line" and "Evil Woman" the remaining two ELO 45 versions still MIA? ------------- Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida |
Posted By: Steve Carras
Date Posted: 03 July 2016 at 11:01pm
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I have the actual 45...the ONLY single version, if anyone's still wonderin', is listed as 3:05 and lacks 1) the first chorus and second verse 2) the descending harpsichord (like) notes and 3) a (to my ears) heaving, cat meow like sound right before (as on the single) as the instrumental part notes ascend and the instrumental part ends, going to the final verse.
No speeding up (a la the group's "Evil Woman"). ------------- You know you're really older when you think that younger singer Jesse McCartney's related in anyway to former Beatle Paul McCartney. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 04 July 2016 at 9:59am
Unless one is going to issue a needledrop of the "Telephone Line" 45, it will never be issued on CD. The unique telephone signals on the intro are in different spots than the common LP version. The tones were added during the disk cutting stage by Kevin Gray. ------------- |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 July 2016 at 3:13pm
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On your 45, Grant, where exactly does the first "ring" come in? ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 July 2016 at 3:44pm
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Grant actually posted this in the "Telephone Line" thread awhile back,
so here is a quote from Kevin Gray:
If I'm reading this correctly, that means there are multiple LP versions where the phone sound effects would be slightly different between each lacquer. However, he says they also made a tape copy in the same way they did the lacquers, and everything after that would have been taken from the 2-track tape they made that day. This would, of course, mean the single would have to be taken from that tape, too, correct? ------------- Aaron Kannowski http://www.uptownsound.com" rel="nofollow - Uptown Sound http://www.919thepeak.com" rel="nofollow - 91.9 The Peak - Classic Hip Hop |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 July 2016 at 4:45pm
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That would be my thought, as you suggested in the thread. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: crapfromthepast
Date Posted: 12 December 2016 at 9:23pm
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LP version (4:21)
I only have the LP version on three discs, but I have a clear favorite: Legacy/Epic's 2-CD Strange Magic The Best Of (1995). The two others are Jet's ELO's Greatest Hits (1986), and Telstar UK's 2-CD Very Best Of (1989). Neither sound good for this track. 45 version (3:06) Here are instructions for creating the 45 edit using Strange Magic The Best Of as the source: Segment 1 Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:48.2 of the LP version and the 45 edit Ends on a downbeat at the beginning of the word "can't" Remove 80 beats from 0:48.2 to 1:46.7 of the LP version Segment 2 44 beats long Begins on a downbeat at the beginning of the word "can't" Extends from 0:48.2 to 1:20.0 of the 45 edit Extends from 1:46.7 to 2:18.5 of the LP version Ends on a downbeat Remove 12 beats from 2:18.5 to 2:27.0 of the LP version Segment 3 8 beats long Begins on a downbeat Extends from 1:20.0 to 1:25.7 of the 45 edit Extends from 2:27.0 to 2:32.6 of the LP version Ends on a downbeat Remove 12 beats from 2:32.6 to 2:41.0 of the LP version Segment 4 Begins on a downbeat Extends from 1:25.7 to 3:06.5 (end) of the 45 edit Extends from 2:41.0 to 4:21.9 (end) of the LP version Your mixdown will run 3:06.5, with edits at 0:48.2, 1:20.0, and 1:25.7. The version on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 16 1975 Take Two (1991) differs from about 1:04 to about 1:32, and uses the wrong portions of the LP version. I didn't spend any time reverse-engineering this incorrect version. The same analog transfer is used on Starland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Lost In Love (1994). ------------- There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one http://www.crapfromthepast.com" rel="nofollow - Crap From The Past . |